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Ask HN: Why do we celebrate AI-Copilots but reject AI–Generated art?

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Re: Ask HN: Why do we celebrate AI-Copilots but reject AI–Generated art?

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Post by osmarks »

NoOn3 wrote: post #57
osmarks wrote: post #13

Artists correctly realized the threat to their future economic viability and made up reasons it was morally bad. Programmers are currently stuck in an earlier stage, insistent that it can never replace them because [various things].

Advanced programmers don't use AI assistants because it doesn't help them write complex new code. This is mostly good for completing only well-known and more or less simple tasks. And I hope that such people understand the danger posed by "artificial intelligence" in many cases and in many forms.

This is sort of true currently, but extrapolate the trend.

Re: Ask HN: Why do we celebrate AI-Copilots but reject AI–Generated art?

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Post by thiht »

gls2ro wrote: post #60
aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #38

LLMs are not good enough to replace programmers, authors or journalists (and I suspect never will, since they still rely on accurate and human written sources to produce anything of value) However, AI art generators in their current form may render all artistic jobs unlivable within 20 years. Learning to draw is one of the most time-intensive skills to master. A master's degree in CS is sufficient to secure a good jo…

Isnt this maybe a bias? Developers saying LLMs are not good enough to replace programmers but can replace artists. An artist can say the same: LLMs are not good enough to replace artists but they seem good enough to replace programmers.

That’s both true and false. AI can definitely replace the "realization" part of art in some cases, not the "creativity/thinking" part. I’d AI art good? Sometimes, sometimes not. Is it good enough when you just want an illustration, with images serving no artistic purpose? Often yes. AI can also definitely replace part of the "writing code" bits. Can it replace all of it? No, some parts are still too complex for AI to grasp. Is it good enough for MVPs, throwing projects in the wild and see if they work? Of course yes.

Re: Ask HN: Why do we celebrate AI-Copilots but reject AI–Generated art?

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

europeanNyan wrote: post #35
Sindisil wrote: post #28

Who is "we", Kimosabe? Personally, I have no time for gen-AI in pretty much any context, at least given the current landscape. And plenty of people seem to accept, if not love, gen-AI art. I don't get it, but it's true. > While browsing YouTube, an AI-generated video appeared and I reflexively told my wife, “That’s AI—skip it.” My reflex whenever I encounter gen-AI output in any form: text, code, image, music, video,…

> And plenty of people seem to accept, if not love, gen-AI art. I don't get it, but it's true. I get a kick out of generating photos with family and friends in different styles like Play-Doh, Simpsons, Ghibli, etc. All of them like it, too. Maybe that's what people like, a very relatable use of the technology.

What I especially dislike in those kinds of situations is when I’m seen as “the heavy” because I respond with “please don’t upload photos of me to AI services”.

Like I’m the weird one because I take exception to someone just uploading a photo of me to some random AI service that without my permission.

Re: Ask HN: Why do we celebrate AI-Copilots but reject AI–Generated art?

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #22
throwaway2317 wrote: post #6

I vilify code LLMs every time I review a colleague's code, ask them why they wrote something a certain way, and they can't explain. ChatGPT prose is even worse: it's like a corporate press release, only even blander and happytalker.

You get whole blocks of code written by AI? No reviewing from the original dev???

Honest question in reply: If you need to vibe code your way through a real programming job how are you supposed to review your own work?

Re: Ask HN: Why do we celebrate AI-Copilots but reject AI–Generated art?

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Post by scrumlord »

Sindisil wrote: post #28

Who is "we", Kimosabe? Personally, I have no time for gen-AI in pretty much any context, at least given the current landscape. And plenty of people seem to accept, if not love, gen-AI art. I don't get it, but it's true. > While browsing YouTube, an AI-generated video appeared and I reflexively told my wife, “That’s AI—skip it.” My reflex whenever I encounter gen-AI output in any form: text, code, image, music, video,…

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Re: Ask HN: Why do we celebrate AI-Copilots but reject AI–Generated art?

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Post by CaptainFever »

I use both and celebrate both.

I suspect it's due to programmers being more familiar with being automated (e.g. compilers, website builders, libraries) as well as a more FLOSS-friendly culture, while art communities have a more "do not steal" culture and are generally more skeptical towards automation.

Therefore the former complains less, and so you perceive it as being less hated.

Re: Ask HN: Why do we celebrate AI-Copilots but reject AI–Generated art?

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Post by NoahZuniga »

AI "art" feels soulless because basically always there's very little thought and effort put into it. Some people have experienced so much low effort AI media that their default response to it is just "this is bad".

There is of course interesting thought provoking art you can do with AI, but oftentimes it isn't.

Code on the other hand is supposed to be effective, so it being "soulless" doesn't matter.

Also relevant, people value art because it evokes feelings. This means that something just looking nice isn't the only or most important piece of art.

Re: Ask HN: Why do we celebrate AI-Copilots but reject AI–Generated art?

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Post by Hasu »

tomhow wrote: post #58
Hasu wrote: post #39

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> You are a massive hypocrite, and it seems like you're a scammer and a thief, too. Personal attacks like this are not OK on Hacker News and we ban people who do it repeatedly. Please have a read of the guidelines and make an effort to adhere to them in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I've considered this, and I don't agree with you. This was not a personal attack (the guidelines you posted also don't forbid personal attacks, they discourage name-calling).

Not my site, so please ban my account.

Re: Ask HN: Why do we celebrate AI-Copilots but reject AI–Generated art?

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Post by tomhow »

Hasu wrote: post #69
tomhow wrote: post #58

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I've considered this, and I don't agree with you. This was not a personal attack (the guidelines you posted also don't forbid personal attacks, they discourage name-calling). Not my site, so please ban my account.

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