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Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Thought experiment - what if it was someone making a really convincing painting of the same thing? These are of course real issues, which is why this is going to be an increasingly large problem. The easiest way to ‘deal’ with them is to double down on them - aka [ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3jfqo9/til_t... ] - but not very many people have the, uh, testicular fortitude to be able to do that. Esp…

1) Sukarno had less to worry about than a schoolteacher (like in the article), perhaps. Teachers can get fired for even a hint of scandal. 2) Victorian men loved porn, prostitution, etc. The "prudishness" of the Victorian era was enforced on women. Deepfakes are just part of the same long tradition of women being deprived of sexual agency and autonomy.

Sukarno only had less to worry about because he had ensured he has less to worry about.

Dictators have been murdered over nothing, let alone scandals - but he was strong enough at the time that yes, it would have just propped up his image.

Teachers rarely have that degree of control of their environment.

SK (like most Asian societies) also has a huge ‘crabs in a bucket’ problem, also known as ‘the nail that sticks out gets hammered down’.

The Victorian era saw most women (statistically) in unstable relationships, and a great many using prostitution to support themselves. Which also gave them a lot of individual freedom.

It was also a time of incredible social mobility, and also fraud.

The ‘prudishness’ was as much society trying to use shaming and in group/out group dynamics to maintain control and some degree of integrity to limit the damage from the widespread disruption of the social fabric.

It also was applied against men, but men are able to leave easier/escape, as they don’t have the biological issue of being pregnant/young kids in tow to slow them down.

Which is also why so many of the middle class had to do things like rent tableware (or even food), etc. to appear ‘upper class’ to avoid being kicked out of whatever support circle they needed, and keep some semblance of propriety.

It was an extremely unstable time for everyone, precisely because so many were ‘free’.

Society is, and always will be, a giant ouroboros/wheel of control, influence, fighting for independence, etc.

The reason why women get stomped on to try to deprive them of sexual agency and autonomy, is precisely because they have so much power with sexual agency.

Most women, if unrestricted, can get most men to do almost anything they want using sex.

Most men, if unrestricted, can then leave to go do something else, leaving the woman ‘holding the bag’ when she is pregnant.

Birth control has unhinged the equation quite a lot, and free flow of information is doing so even more.

That scares all the rest of the women, and many of the men, which is why we have what we have. The more freedom is actually present, the more unhinged the attacks eventually become. Because the goal is control, even if it is pathological control.

Interesting times, eh?

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I understand the laws against distribution, but can anyone explain why creating/possessing deep-faked porn for private use is so morally reprehensible or even criminal? I can't identify a victim in this scenario. Whose business is it? I genuinely couldn't care less if someone did this "to" me, but then I recognise that as a middle aged dude that's not ever happening so I may have a blind spot here. How would I even k…

You’re getting downvoted because it triggers some really deep ick feelings. Ick feelings that as a middle aged dude you’ve likely never had (or will likely have), so can’t appreciate. If you’ve had a crazy stalker (truly crazy), you’d probably think differently.

For instance, that Star Trek episode where Barclay was simulating the crew and having ‘relationships’ with them on the holodeck - in ‘real life’ the crew would have ostracized him, at the minimum.

In ‘real real life’, he might have just gotten murdered, ahem, ‘had a transporter accident’.

It’s similar. Yeah, logically ‘no one was getting hurt’, but people aren’t logical that way. For a reason, frankly.

And if you think of it as a prelude to something much more disturbing and direct happening (which it well might), then it makes sense to have the ‘disproportionate’/illogical reaction. Those emotions are warning people of an imminent threat, and they’d be fools to ignore them, regardless of what anyone says.

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If you ever think the solution to a problem is to remove agency and freedom from an entire group of people, you have not found a workable solution, you're just trying to push away blame from those who are ultimately responsible. I sincerely hope your comment is satire or sarcasm. It doesn't land that way, it just reads as misogynistic, uncaring and divorced from the modern world.

The struggle between personal agency and duty is a familiar theme in Asian literature, where duty usually wins. When you’re dealing with a literal extinction event what takes priority?

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This is deeply dismissive. A better response would have been to provide a fourth option with what you think is a potential viable option.

I can come up with one for you something along the lines of the government, providing sizable upfront pavements or stipends to families that have kids so having kids is an immediate financial gain. I don’t think most economies can sustain that though.

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If you ever think the solution to a problem is to remove agency and freedom from an entire group of people, you have not found a workable solution, you're just trying to push away blame from those who are ultimately responsible. I sincerely hope your comment is satire or sarcasm. It doesn't land that way, it just reads as misogynistic, uncaring and divorced from the modern world.

The struggle between personal agency and duty is a familiar theme in Asian literature, where duty usually wins. When you’re dealing with a literal extinction event what takes priority?

In Western liberal democracies, individual freedom always wins.

Given that the World is currently over-populated by almost every metric imaginable, and we are facing an extinction event as a result, I think you can hold back on your demand that we enslave women for a few thousand more years, yet.

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I think if anything will stop free computing, it'll be AI, specifically for this reason. Too easy to abused, and too many (especially women) being harmed.

What would that look like? It's hard to imagine putting the genie back in the bottle with any technology, let alone the personal computer which has been in circulation for decades.

>What would that look like?

Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Environment_Integrity

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This is deeply dismissive. A better response would have been to provide a fourth option with what you think is a potential viable option. I can come up with one for you something along the lines of the government, providing sizable upfront pavements or stipends to families that have kids so having kids is an immediate financial gain. I don’t think most economies can sustain that though.

This is not just dismissive - it is profoundly so, and for good reason. The author deserves to be dismissed, having constructed a false trichotomy in which every option is merely a thinly veiled excuse for their sexist and misogynistic worldview.

They have not reached their position through reason, so reason cannot be used to dislodge them from it. Entertaining their chauvinism as if it merits rational debate only legitimises their position by pretending it is worthy of serious consideration. It is not. It should be called what it is: shameful.

Frankly, I am shocked that someone would publish such views under their real name. It suggests they may not fully grasp the gravity of what they have said. Are they aware that such comments render them unemployable in much of the developed world? That they risk being rightly shunned by the vast majority of people?

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What would that look like? It's hard to imagine putting the genie back in the bottle with any technology, let alone the personal computer which has been in circulation for decades.

Really? Hoe many people do you know who use big neural networks, how many of them run it on their own hardware?

For image generation, the bar is much lower than for text. E.g. FLUX.1-dev is 12B parameters. Running those on local hardware is extremely common and very easy, especially with apps like Draw Things (the latter can even run on iPhones and iPads!).
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