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Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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A lot of these SK stories keep reading like a cultural/techno dystopia, which makes me wonder if people there want change to occur.

SK has been ‘crazy’ this way for many decades. It’s also why it is so obsessed with plastic surgery.

Japan has been going in a similar direction, but has some notable differences (tentacle porn really is a thing, as is chibi).

Everyone is just becoming more aware of it, which hey - at least it isn’t just all about the USA anymore!

Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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yes, and misogyny and south korean women's collective reaction to it is definitely one root cause. not the only, but due to garbage like this article, women there do not especially care for the men.

Women don’t care for the men because of articles like this? I would suggest that the widespread misogyny would more likely be the cause.

I read it as "garbage like [described] in this article", not an attack on the article itself.

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Misandry is rampant too, which is a big part of why men are checking out or even developing resentment towards women. This article even touches on it, for example, in that just possessing deep-faked porn is punishable by up to 3 years imprisonment. There are many men who will literally never experience a woman's touch, are shunned, isolated, ridiculed, shamed, and even hated by society. They are not bad people, their…

How is that "misandry"? Do you think only men are lonely and deprived of sex? Do you think only men fantasize about people they're attracted to? How did men survive so many years without synthetic porn of the woman at the office? Producing deepfakes, even for personal use, is irresponsible. Men can use their imaginations.

While Men certainly can be (and likely will be) a major driver, don’t underestimate the willingness of women to target other women using the same tactics and techniques if they think they can get away with it.

Men may kill you, but women will make you wish you were dead.

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Women don’t care for the men because of articles like this? I would suggest that the widespread misogyny would more likely be the cause.

I feel like declining birthrates and misogyny unfortunately easily go hand in hand, causing a downward spiral. The rarer kids are, the more they tend to get spoiled and the more likely they are to act entitled towards others.

The rarer kids are, the more people don’t have kids, don’t know anything about kids, don’t care any kids, and treat them like a nuisance. Both privately and publicly.

Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Misandry is rampant too, which is a big part of why men are checking out or even developing resentment towards women. This article even touches on it, for example, in that just possessing deep-faked porn is punishable by up to 3 years imprisonment. There are many men who will literally never experience a woman's touch, are shunned, isolated, ridiculed, shamed, and even hated by society. They are not bad people, their…

How is that "misandry"? Do you think only men are lonely and deprived of sex? Do you think only men fantasize about people they're attracted to? How did men survive so many years without synthetic porn of the woman at the office? Producing deepfakes, even for personal use, is irresponsible. Men can use their imaginations.

How is it not misandry? A law targeting men to deny them even the illusion of love and happiness, punishable by years in prison. A peaceful, albeit distasteful, fleeting solution to their complete rejection by society. I don't see why it's anyone's business, least of all the law. It's cruel. It's spiteful.

Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Some of the perpetrators: "Two former students from the prestigious Seoul National University (SNU)" and "a quiet, introverted student “someone you’d never imagine doing such a thing,”". "...lot of articles and comments about deepfakes saying, ‘Why is it a serious crime when it’s not even your real body?’”" This seems like a deep societal issue that cannot be solved through harsh criminal penalties alone.

Thought experiment - what if it was someone making a really convincing painting of the same thing? These are of course real issues, which is why this is going to be an increasingly large problem. The easiest way to ‘deal’ with them is to double down on them - aka [ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3jfqo9/til_t... ] - but not very many people have the, uh, testicular fortitude to be able to do that. Esp…

1) Sukarno had less to worry about than a schoolteacher (like in the article), perhaps. Teachers can get fired for even a hint of scandal. 2) Victorian men loved porn, prostitution, etc. The "prudishness" of the Victorian era was enforced on women. Deepfakes are just part of the same long tradition of women being deprived of sexual agency and autonomy.

Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Doesn't SK have the lowest birth rate in the world?

yes, and misogyny and south korean women's collective reaction to it is definitely one root cause. not the only, but due to garbage like this article, women there do not especially care for the men.

I've never been to South Korea but I'd be really surprised if that has much to do with it. The entire Western world has had massively declining birth rates while simultaneously becoming less misogynistic. If anything there's a negative correlation. In more equitable societies women don't want to just be mothers, and society changes so that it is now difficult for them.

For example it's very difficult to live off a single income now so women can't be stay-at-home mothers, and childcare is extremely expensive in most countries.

Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Some of the perpetrators: "Two former students from the prestigious Seoul National University (SNU)" and "a quiet, introverted student “someone you’d never imagine doing such a thing,”". "...lot of articles and comments about deepfakes saying, ‘Why is it a serious crime when it’s not even your real body?’”" This seems like a deep societal issue that cannot be solved through harsh criminal penalties alone.

Thought experiment - what if it was someone making a really convincing painting of the same thing? These are of course real issues, which is why this is going to be an increasingly large problem. The easiest way to ‘deal’ with them is to double down on them - aka [ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3jfqo9/til_t... ] - but not very many people have the, uh, testicular fortitude to be able to do that. Esp…

People used to use photo-editing software to do the same thing 20 years ago. A significant change in the prevalence of something (due to making it easier in this case: painting->photoshop->AI tools), can make a qualitative difference in the harm.

A really dedicated person might crank out a painting or two per week, and a minuscule fraction of the population has the skills to do so at all. Around the turn of the millennium, a much larger (but still small) fraction of the population had access and skills to use digital photo editing tools, and it still took quite some time if you wanted to make something convincing.

I am fairly confident that if one were to spend an hour or two researching how, a significant fraction of the population could generate dozens of images in a single evening.

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