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ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by SauciestGNU »

rdtsc wrote: post #102
heromal wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the point in arguing about what-ifs? The children were deported. In real life. There's no need for hypothetical scenarios, focus on the actual point of the article and thread.

> The children were deported. In real life. I am not sure what you're arguing for? Take the children away in real life and hand off to a random foster family. Sometimes they can stay with aunts or uncles. Sometimes there are no aunts or uncles. > There's no need for hypothetical scenarios, focus on the actual point of the article and thread. Ok, so what should we discuss about the article? To help the conversation mo…

US citizen father wasn't allowed to take custody of his US citizen child, who was subsequently removed from the country to a place where the child presumably is not a citizen.

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Post by nineplay »

blinky81 wrote: post #354

I cannot for the life of me understand why Americans have such a problem with other people coming here to seek a better life. Half this country has been tricked into seeing hardworking immigrants as a threat to their safety and livelihood — but by all metrics, immigrants are a net positive to society. I also take issue with the idea that this extreme exclusionary mindset is somehow new to America. A lot of people fra…

I'm surprised you single out Americans who on the whole still a lot more welcoming than a lot more countries in Europe and Asia. The last few months have torn that reputation apart of course, and there is loud group who would happily shut the borders, but there are a lot of citizens who are happy with legal immigration, sympatric to illegal immigration, and still embrace the melting pot.

My conversations with H-1B visa holders is that whatever aggravations they may have in the US, they can still get into the US. Other countries just don't have that pathway

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Post by exceptione »

nharada wrote: post #314

Feels like this conversation is full of people getting hung up on arguing the technicalities and exact phrasing of this situation. Is that really important to the broader conversation?

I think the one who derailed the conversation did not do that on purpose, but yes, throwing in a technicality to us/the HN crowd is like throwing red meat to the lions.

It seems we as technical people give little reason for giving us a leading role in society. I admit that the media doesn't help as they keep the big picture out of frame, but then again, we are very easily cornered with minor details.

Anne Frank's house is not far from where I live. I bet that the term "forcefully" in a sentence like "She was forcefully deported" could have been up for debate too, who knows, but in the end it would not have really helped the girl.

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Post by codr7 »

AustinDev wrote: post #332
pessimizer wrote: post #188

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I think the US government seizing the birthright citizen children of undocumented immigrant parents is an extreme position.

What happens is a single parent is sent to prison? The state takes care of the children.

Takes care, interesting choice of words there.

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Post by wat10000 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #377
whoknowsidont wrote: post #351

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When you're a sheltered suburbanite nerd (yeah, even the "rural" ones) who will never have to truly worry about being in this situation, this is just an exciting news story to squabble over and smugly flounder about on your keyboard. Deplorable.

I feel more disgusted by the Americans who know this is wrong but do nothing. I have no patience for evil people, but the truly damned are all the Americans who know and sense better but do not or cannot act properly. If deporting U.S. CITIZEN CHILDREN does not send you to the streets with fire and fury, you are well and truly lost. So much damn talk over the decades I've been alive about patriotism and liberty from…

It’s worse than that. Far too many of us want this stuff.

I understand the basic idea of how you fight an oppressive regime everyone hates. I have no idea how you go about fighting one that half the country supports. Protests aren’t going to fix that.

Last time around, I could at least soothe myself with the idea that he only won because our electoral system is idiotic, and a lot of voters didn’t understand what they were voting for. This time? He won the most votes, and everyone had every opportunity to see what they were getting. I can only conclude that my countrymen are fucked in the head.

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Post by 0x5f3759df-i »

whimsicalism wrote: post #205
hartator wrote: post #21

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Yes, nothing much changed law-wise. No due process at the borders is a shame both now and before, but hopefully this time there is a willingness to change things. Probably not at the next swing of power.

It is genuinely an extremely difficult challenge to manage illegal crossings if every individual must be processed through the full U.S. legal system which has massive resourcing and backlog problems (3m+ cases). Voters across the political spectrum have made it unmistakably clear — in poll after poll — that they are deeply dissatisfied with the current rate of illegal and asylum-seeking entries. Is there a morally p…

Immigration courts are already separate from the rest of the legal system so the implication here is wrong.

Going too slow for you? Hire more immigration judges, which are executive employees not full article 3 judges.

Voters across the political spectrum have made it clear in poll after poll the last few weeks that they do not approve of the way this administration is grabbing whoever they can and shipping them out of the country without any check or verification that they are deporting the right people.

If the administration can declare you an illegal immigrant with no due process they can ship anyone they want out of the country. They could grab you off the street, ship you to and El Salvador torture prison intentionally or by mistake (as they have already admitted to) and there’s nothing you can do about it.

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Post by UncleMeat »

lawn wrote: post #153
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #89

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> Trump said that many immigrants are not human. I am very much not a Trump fan, but I need to see a source for that claim.

"Alien" is something Trump has said multiple times. The first I heard it was in the debate with Harris (that she "wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in jail").

I agree that "alien" is a fairly dehumanizing term, but this isn't what I am talking about. Trump said "No, they're not humans, they're not humans, they're animals."

This isn't a quibble about technical language.

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Post by tomrod »

exe34 wrote: post #218
elicksaur wrote: post #161

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Is it really "deported" without a court ruling? I thought it was human trafficking?

That must be the common way to use these terms, that's how I understand it too.

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Post by [deleted] »

queenkjuul wrote: post #366
UmGuys wrote: post #331

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It has not. We have never previously sent immigrants to foreign concentration camps. There were internment camps which were bad enough during the war, but we're now kidnapping people, sending them to El Salvador, and locking them up for life.

People here really seem to like ignoring that part for some reason. That is a very real line that had not previously been crossed.

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