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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by prasadjoglekar »

sarlalian wrote: post #414
nonethewiser wrote: post #385

This would be pretty sad if she did help him evade ICE. He was in court for battery charges and in the country illegally. ICE arresting him does not interfere with any due process. Which he 100% needs to get (but arresting him is still part of that). What is left here thats worth protecting? Not someone we want in the country and the agents had a warrant for his arrest (court comes after that). I feel like this is a…

There is nothing in any of the articles indicating he was here illegally. He's referred to in all the articles I've read as an immigrant. Not as illegal or undocumented. It's also reasonable to point out that removing someones legal immigration status, due to being "charged" with a crime, is a seriously slippery slope.

Agents from the United States Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”), Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Enforcement and Removal Operations (“ICE ERO”) identified Flores-Ruiz as an individual who was not lawfully in the United States. A review of Flores-Ruiz’s Alien Registration File (“A-File”) indicated that Flores-Ruiz is a native and citizen of Mexico and that Flores-Ruiz had been issued an I-860 Notice and Order of Expedited Removal by United States Border Patrol Agents on January 16, 2013, and that Flores-Ruiz was thereafter removed to Mexico through the Nogales, Arizona, Port of Entry. There is no evidence in the A-File or DHS indices indicating that Flores-Ruiz sought or obtained permission to return to the United States.

Sworn affidavit in the complaint against Judge Dugan.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by bananalychee »

gitfan86 wrote: post #380
fnordpiglet wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact the FBI participated in this arrest is chilling. ICE being a proto secret police seems to be perceived already. The FBI now? There’s question whether the ICE agents even had legal grounds to demand arrest regardless, whether they had a warrant, etc - and the facts established are pretty clearly not prosecutable. So this is pure intimidation, going after the judicial in what will likely be a flagrantly abusiv…

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by gsibble »

Aeolun wrote: post #225
gsibble wrote: post #171

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This thread is especially bad though. So much flagged and dead. I feel like some true extremists descended on this one, writing both inflammatory messages as well as flagging everything they don’t like.

Every time I've written something that goes against the liberal narrative that makes the front page on HN, it's flagged in under 5 minutes.

Even when it's about tech or San Francisco.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by ty6853 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #447
gosub100 wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't you organize one?

> Why don't you organize one? I live in Wyoming. Our courts aren’t being attacked. I’d absolutely be open to lending material support to anyone looking to lawfully organise something like this in their community, however.

This is basically what Ammon Bundy did, and most of the US hates him for it. The federal government tried many times to jail him but ultimately he was found innocent everytime. Finally they managed to get him by a friendly judge who had a husband high up in the BLM, awarding an ungodly high lawsuit when he helped an innocent mother get her baby back by summonsing his protest-militia to protest a hospital that conspired to have the baby taken by child services.

Seriously, listen to some videos of Ammon Bundy actually speak (he is pro immigration rights as well, despite the 'far-right' label). Not what you hear from the media or others or under the influence of a political agenda. Most of what he says is 99% in line with your thought process here.

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Post by prepend »

nashashmi wrote: post #100
zdragnar wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They cannot use your tax forms as evidence against you, but if there is a warrant for your arrest, they can arrest you wherever they find you. If there's a warrant for my arrest on suspicion of murder and I show up to court to argue a traffic ticket, of course they'll take me in on the murder charge too.

Do you know if an arrest warrant was issued? I don’t think ICE works on warrants

ICE works on “administrative warrants” that are different than “judicial warrants” [0]

I didn’t know the difference until today when I was reading about the case. I think the difference is the ice warrants are like detention orders and are different than a judge’s arrest warrant that grants a lot more power.

[0] https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2025/04/23/what-is...

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Post by kansface »

whoknowsidont wrote: post #438
kansface wrote: post #389

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No, absolutely not. Trump would federalize the national guard as did Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson and charge the governors with treason. You advocate for de facto succession of the states - we settled that matter with blood last time. The next time will be far worse. The rule of law does not prohibit bad arrests nor can it. The rule of law provides the opportunity for remedy after the fact.

How are you or anyone else going to remedy anything when you're half a world away, with no access to anyone let alone _anything_ outside your death camp? Absolutely yes. This needs to stop right here, and the consequences for violating the rule of law, for violating due process, for violating human rights, must be real.

You advance civil war as the remedy for the hypothetical. I’m squarely with Lincoln on the matter.

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Post by quickslowdown »

gitfan86 wrote: post #380
fnordpiglet wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact the FBI participated in this arrest is chilling. ICE being a proto secret police seems to be perceived already. The FBI now? There’s question whether the ICE agents even had legal grounds to demand arrest regardless, whether they had a warrant, etc - and the facts established are pretty clearly not prosecutable. So this is pure intimidation, going after the judicial in what will likely be a flagrantly abusiv…

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Post by kstrauser »

cactacea wrote: post #454

ICE has absolutely no business in state courthouses. The federal interest in enforcing immigration law should not be placed above the state's interest in enforcing equal protection under the law. Consider the case of a undocumented rape victim. Do they not deserve justice? Are we better off letting a rapist go free when their victim cannot testify against them because they were deported? I think not and I do not want…

Nailed it. Keep that stuff away from:

* Police interactions, unless you want people refusing to cooperate with police.

* Hospitals, unless you want people refusing to seek medical care for communicable diseases.

* Courtrooms, unless you want people to skip court or refuse to testify as witnesses.

My wife likes watching murder investigation TV shows. Sometimes the homicide detectives will talk to petty criminals like street-level drug dealers, prostitutes, and the like. The first thing the detectives do is assure them that they're there about a murder and couldn't care less about the other minor stuff. They're not going to arrest some guy selling weed when they want to hear his story about something he witnessed.

Well, same thing here but on a bigger stage.

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Post by ggreer »

nashashmi wrote: post #100
zdragnar wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They cannot use your tax forms as evidence against you, but if there is a warrant for your arrest, they can arrest you wherever they find you. If there's a warrant for my arrest on suspicion of murder and I show up to court to argue a traffic ticket, of course they'll take me in on the murder charge too.

Do you know if an arrest warrant was issued? I don’t think ICE works on warrants

Yes, an arrest warrant was issued. From the complaint[1]:

> On or about April 17, 2025, an authorized immigration official found probable cause to believe Flores-Ruiz was removable from the United States and issued a warrant for his arrest. The warrant provided, “YOU ARE COMMANDED to arrest and take into custody for removal proceedings under the Immigration and Nationality Act, the above-named alien [Flores-Ruiz identified on warrant].” Upon his arrest, Flores-Ruiz would be given a Notice of Intent/Decision to Reinstate Prior Order. He would then have an opportunity to contest the determination by making a written or oral statement to an immigration officer.

He'd been deported in 2013 and snuck back in some time later. He was in Milwaukee county court that day because he'd been charged with three counts of domestic battery.

1. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11...

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