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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by anonym29 »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #99
anonym29 wrote: post #77

Would it not be better to have a peaceful, civil, lawful, separation of the two different Americas than for us to rigidly cling to an idea of a "United" States that no longer represents reality? We're clearly living in two different realities already, brought about the partisan media (on both sides) willfully and deliberately misrepresenting reality to serve the interests of their shadowy trillion-dollar corporate co…

Maybe you're a fan of "Texit".

Good guess. I'm big on "marketplace of ideas", where each state has far greater control of public policy (which is overwhelmingly federalized right now). If California wants to show the world how good single-payer healthcare and UBI could be, let them. If New York wants to disarm every resident and send police around to confiscate firearms, let them. If Texas wants to ban abortion within the state for residents, let them. Let each state have an opportunity to show the world how good or bad their policy positions are. Diversity of policy + freedom of choice.

My big caveats would be freedom of movement, no criminalizing activity that occurs out of state, free trade, freedom of association (no Alabama, you cannot criminalize trade with Massachusets), etc. If you don't like California, you should be free to leave California (without fear of California retroactively increasing punitive tax enforcement against you), and if you don't like Texas, you should be free to leave Texas (even if just to get an abortion in another state and then come back, without fear of arrest or imprisonment).

We are not one identical set of people with one identical culture, one identical set of values, one identical sense of right and wrong. We're 330,000,000+ unique individuals who cluster together, mainly around people like us.

Good gun laws for rural Montana are not necessarily good gun laws for New York City. We should stop pretending that the people in DC always know best for everyone, everywhere. Local communities know what is best for themselves. The more decentralized, the better.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by alistairSH »

stouset wrote: post #105
alistairSH wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't deporting illegal immigrants. The problem(s) are... - lack of due process (Constitution doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal residents) - leading to deportation of legal residents (Garcia case from MD) - sending illegal immigrants to a jail that's hosted abroad is NOT deportation in the normal sense of the word - it closer to our holding of detainees at Gitmo post-9/11.

I wish people would stop trying to argue that the constitution affords due process to both legal and illegal residents like you are doing here. It does , but that’s missing the forest for the trees. If all the government has to do is say “they’re here illegally” to get a free pass to do whatever they want to someone, then even legal residents don’t have rights. Due process is the entire mechanism behind which the gov…

Isn't that what I just said? We already have the legal processes in place (based on the Constitution) to deport illegals in the correct (legal, safe, etc) way. The Trump administration is ignoring that existing process to score political points with their political base.

Couple that with their attempted demonization of the judicial branch and it's a recipe for a "first they came for the socialists..." situation.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by bix6 »

willis936 wrote: post #110
kemayo wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I updated my post with new information from the updated article, and in the context of that I think you're pretty much right. It sounds like the judge basically said "you need permission to arrest someone in the middle of my hearing, go get it" and then didn't change anything about the process of their hearing while that permission was being obtained. This was definitely not them being helpful , but I'm incredibly do…

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Considering the ongoing due process deprivations this is the most concerning aspect to me. This is a sitting judge which is a significant escalation against the judiciary.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

anonym29 wrote: post #77

Would it not be better to have a peaceful, civil, lawful, separation of the two different Americas than for us to rigidly cling to an idea of a "United" States that no longer represents reality? We're clearly living in two different realities already, brought about the partisan media (on both sides) willfully and deliberately misrepresenting reality to serve the interests of their shadowy trillion-dollar corporate co…

There's no way to gerrymander a border that splits America into two geographically distinct countries with strong majority representation of whatever binary you think exists. By that I mean, there are communists in Kentucky and Proud Boys in Hawaii. If we seriously tried to split in two, it'd be like post-colonial India and Pakistan with worse weapons.

regardless, this idea is a distraction from the problem of wealth accumulation and the erosion of representative politics through private funding.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by crooked-v »

mbrumlow wrote: post #74
jldugger wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if I wanted to arrest a sitting judge, it would have to be an act of gross malfeasance to motivate me to even consider arrest. This logic projects rationality onto an administration that does not merit such assumptions.

I think it’s more weird that the person being a “sitting judge” is any party of the equation. At the end of the day judges are just people. I would be more worried about a system that proceeded differently because they were a judge.

A judge who's literally in the middle of an official hearing is absolutely a special case.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by esbranson »

Intentionally misdirecting a federal investigation is a crime.[1][2] Pretty straightforward accusation.

"Our legal system provides methods for challenging the Government's right to ask questions—lying is not one of them." — Justice Harlan

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements [2] https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual...

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by intermerda »

willis936 wrote: post #110
kemayo wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I updated my post with new information from the updated article, and in the context of that I think you're pretty much right. It sounds like the judge basically said "you need permission to arrest someone in the middle of my hearing, go get it" and then didn't change anything about the process of their hearing while that permission was being obtained. This was definitely not them being helpful , but I'm incredibly do…

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by whoknowsidont »

mbrumlow wrote: post #74
jldugger wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if I wanted to arrest a sitting judge, it would have to be an act of gross malfeasance to motivate me to even consider arrest. This logic projects rationality onto an administration that does not merit such assumptions.

I think it’s more weird that the person being a “sitting judge” is any party of the equation. At the end of the day judges are just people. I would be more worried about a system that proceeded differently because they were a judge.

This makes absolutely zero sense. She was arrested because of her actions (or rather, alleged inaction) in court, as a judge.

She is not "just a person" in this case.

I'm struggling with the dishonesty on grand display by some of the comments in this thread.

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Post by pjc50 »

kemayo wrote: post #93
mjburgess wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. It isnt clear ICE agents have any legal authority to demand a judge tell them anything. 2. It is highly likely this is an official act, since it would be taken on behalf of court, so the immigrant can give, eg. testimony in a case. A "private act" here would be the judge lying in order to prevent their deportation because they as a private person wanted to do so. It seems highly unlikely that this is the case.

I updated my post with new information from the updated article, and in the context of that I think you're pretty much right. It sounds like the judge basically said "you need permission to arrest someone in the middle of my hearing, go get it" and then didn't change anything about the process of their hearing while that permission was being obtained. This was definitely not them being helpful , but I'm incredibly do…

> incredibly doubtful that they could be successfully prosecuted for this.

But they can be successfully arrested. You can beat the rap but not the ride, etc.

The US is not yet at the level of dysfunction where jurisdiction is settled with gunfire, but ICE seem to be determined to move that closer.

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