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FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Still waiting for better information about whether the judge was uncooperative or lied/misled the agents.

This is immensely frustrating as someone who also genuinely cares about justice being done and the rule of law being followed. I want arrests to be made when there's reasonable information that this judge lied to federal agents, but frankly I can't see the federal government taking appropriate care to ensure they aren't arresting arbitrarily and then dodging accountability for trying to make right their wrongs. The federal government can claim anyone has done a crime and arrest them, but then if they ruin a person's life over this claim what is the arrestee's recourse for justice?

It just seems so in violation of my desire to wait for proof in court: what do we do when the proof is wrong-- how do we make right as a people? This persons was arrested at their workplace publicly and lost their freedoms for however long it takes to sort it out in a court of law. In the meantime the prosecutors who are taking away those freedoms sacrifice nothing while they, too, wait to prove their case in court.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Since the Judiciary seem to be the only ones pushing back against the Federal overreach it makes sense to them go after them first. I don't expect Congress to start getting arrested until or if they ever do any significant pushback against Trump and his cronies. This is America now, the land of the lawless and unjust. Prepare accordingly people, if they do not like what you are doing they will use their full power to…

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Hey, regardless of your stance on borders and immigration, maybe let's not normalize defending the United State's horrible immigration law enforcement as it stands by doing this weird interrogative gotcha game.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I updated my post with new information from the updated article, and in the context of that I think you're pretty much right. It sounds like the judge basically said "you need permission to arrest someone in the middle of my hearing, go get it" and then didn't change anything about the process of their hearing while that permission was being obtained. This was definitely not them being helpful , but I'm incredibly do…

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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He was literally in the courthouse. It's not like he went out the back entrance. edit: maybe he did go out of the back entrance? But the video I have seen of his arrest definitely looks like it was the inside of a courthouse.

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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This feels like a “break glass in case of emergency” kind of moment. Sure there are no details yet, but I’m trying to imagine details which would make me think “that arrest makes sense.” If I were in Milwaukee I’d be in the streets.

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Correct. By the article's details, it does not seem that the judge lied to the agents but rather told them some inconvenient step they had to perform per the Court's jurisdiction. Trump's Schutzstaffel can put on their big boy pants and make grownup decisions like whether they all need to run in one direction like Keystone Cops, or whether maybe someone should remain following their target. In the best case it sounds like they were idiots who didn't like the repercussions of their own actions. In the likely case, they deliberately did the stupid thing so they'd have a pretext to attack the judge and push us even further into strongman authoritarianism.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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a federal agency that doesn't follow the law should lose the protection of the law. Charge the ICE agents with attempted kidnapping of the immigrant and actual kidnapping of the judge.

I imagine they'll soon be putting a spin on George W Bush-era legal arguments about the applicability of Geneva Conventions on "non-uniformed combatants". In this case, if the ICE agents weren't uniformed at the time of arrest, they can't be considered agents of the federal government, and thus can't be subject to legal redress.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is absolutely federal overreach to send people to foreign torture prisons (or even domestic utopian cuddle farms) without due process, full stop.

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It doesn't.
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