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FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

bluGill wrote: post #19

This will be interesting for the 5th amendment. They cannot arrest you for putting "drug dealer" on your tax forms as your job since you are compelled to answer that question honestly. The defendant was compelled to appear in court which means he couldn't protect his own privacy by being elsewhere - are these the same thing? I don't know how courts will see it, but it is an interesting legal question that I hope some…

>They cannot arrest you for putting "drug dealer" on your tax forms as your job since you are compelled to answer that question honestly.

They recently forced their way to into IRS records, so that is no longer true either.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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anonym29 wrote: post #77

Would it not be better to have a peaceful, civil, lawful, separation of the two different Americas than for us to rigidly cling to an idea of a "United" States that no longer represents reality? We're clearly living in two different realities already, brought about the partisan media (on both sides) willfully and deliberately misrepresenting reality to serve the interests of their shadowy trillion-dollar corporate co…

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by kenjackson »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #68
hidingfearful wrote: post #57

a federal agency that doesn't follow the law should lose the protection of the law. Charge the ICE agents with attempted kidnapping of the immigrant and actual kidnapping of the judge.

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I don't think citizens have a legal obligation to enforce immigration law (generally).

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by typeofhuman »

like_any_other wrote: post #13

> Patel announced the arrest of Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan in a post on the social media platform X, which he deleted moments after posting. The post accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. Federal agents have been using this to charge people for nearly a century [1].…

At the risk of being pedantic, all laws are used to manufacture crimes.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by alistairSH »

_mlbt wrote: post #37
whoknowsidont wrote: post #12

Democratic states really need to start disallowing federal agents to operate within their borders and band together. Activate their respective national guards and make it happen. Yes, that means defying federal law. Yes that means exactly the consequences you want to draw from those actions. There is no other option at this point. The law is dead in the U.S.

Why are deportations of illegal immigrants bad? Come here legally and be properly vetted. The law is dead if states defy it by refusing to allow federal agents to enforce immigration law. This whole stance is absolute madness.

The problem isn't deporting illegal immigrants.

The problem(s) are... - lack of due process (Constitution doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal residents) - leading to deportation of legal residents (Garcia case from MD) - sending illegal immigrants to a jail that's hosted abroad is NOT deportation in the normal sense of the word - it closer to our holding of detainees at Gitmo post-9/11.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by bix6 »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #64
daheza wrote: post #21

Since the Judiciary seem to be the only ones pushing back against the Federal overreach it makes sense to them go after them first. I don't expect Congress to start getting arrested until or if they ever do any significant pushback against Trump and his cronies. This is America now, the land of the lawless and unjust. Prepare accordingly people, if they do not like what you are doing they will use their full power to…

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The immigration laws that they themselves are breaking by depriving due process? Come on now.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by sorcerer-mar »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #78
sorcerer-mar wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is absolutely federal overreach to send people to foreign torture prisons (or even domestic utopian cuddle farms) without due process, full stop.

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It's applying reality to your abstract question.

Almost no one disagrees with enforcing federal immigration law. The pushback has to do with the illegal manner in which it's happening in reality.

One of the most pernicious memes among the pseudo-intellect crowd is isolating an event from its context and then saying "see, not a problem in isolation!" But these things are not happening in isolation.

With high enough levels of motivated pseudo-intellectual dissection, you can portray a fatal car crash as a series of mundane procedural details and then just say "what bearing does the fatality have on it?"

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by typeofhuman »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #66
like_any_other wrote: post #13

> Patel announced the arrest of Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan in a post on the social media platform X, which he deleted moments after posting. The post accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. Federal agents have been using this to charge people for nearly a century [1].…

> Federal agents have been using this to charge people for nearly a century Using it on judges?

Being a judge might just be circumstantial (sensational?). The arrest may be because of the person's personal actions; not their professional actions as a judge.
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