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FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by _mlbt »

boroboro4 wrote: post #43
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which crime is that exactly? It can't be aiding illegal immigration if the immigrant is already inside the US.

I thought so too, but turned out I'm wrong: > Key prohibited actions under 8 U.S.C. § 1324 include: > Bringing in or Attempting to Bring in Aliens: Assisting a non-citizen to enter or try to enter the U.S. at a place other than an official port of entry. > Transporting: Moving or attempting to move a non-citizen within the U.S., knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that the non-citizen has entered or remains…

Why are they terrible? I do not understand why people have a right to enter the country illegally and stay without consequences, nor why people should be able to assist them without consequences. What sane argument is there for that? That is just anarchy and madness.

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Post by zdragnar »

bluGill wrote: post #19

This will be interesting for the 5th amendment. They cannot arrest you for putting "drug dealer" on your tax forms as your job since you are compelled to answer that question honestly. The defendant was compelled to appear in court which means he couldn't protect his own privacy by being elsewhere - are these the same thing? I don't know how courts will see it, but it is an interesting legal question that I hope some…

They cannot use your tax forms as evidence against you, but if there is a warrant for your arrest, they can arrest you wherever they find you. If there's a warrant for my arrest on suspicion of murder and I show up to court to argue a traffic ticket, of course they'll take me in on the murder charge too.

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Post by mbrumlow »

jldugger wrote: post #15
underseacables wrote: post #8

This seems lite on facts. Even if I wanted to arrest a sitting judge, it would have to be an act of gross malfeasance to motivate me to even consider arrest. The only thing I can think of… Is, if the judge swore under oath, affidavit, or something like that, that she did not do something when in fact that she did. But even then… If Patel does not come back with some thing on that level or better, then this was a horr…

> Even if I wanted to arrest a sitting judge, it would have to be an act of gross malfeasance to motivate me to even consider arrest. This logic projects rationality onto an administration that does not merit such assumptions.

I think it’s more weird that the person being a “sitting judge” is any party of the equation. At the end of the day judges are just people. I would be more worried about a system that proceeded differently because they were a judge.

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Post by anonym29 »

Would it not be better to have a peaceful, civil, lawful, separation of the two different Americas than for us to rigidly cling to an idea of a "United" States that no longer represents reality?

We're clearly living in two different realities already, brought about the partisan media (on both sides) willfully and deliberately misrepresenting reality to serve the interests of their shadowy trillion-dollar corporate conglomerates, amplified by the digital echo chambers brought about other secretive, manipulative trillion-dollar corporate conglomerates.

Is it seriously better to let the entire federal government collapse, leaving a power void in it's wake, than to have two Americas with freedom of movement, free trade, etc?

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Post by frumplestlatz »

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #70
frumplestlatz wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It is absolutely federal overreach to send people to foreign torture prisons (or even domestic utopian cuddle farms) without due process, full stop.

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Post by Hikikomori »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #64
daheza wrote: post #21

Since the Judiciary seem to be the only ones pushing back against the Federal overreach it makes sense to them go after them first. I don't expect Congress to start getting arrested until or if they ever do any significant pushback against Trump and his cronies. This is America now, the land of the lawless and unjust. Prepare accordingly people, if they do not like what you are doing they will use their full power to…

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Would call it an overreach to turn ICE into their own version of the brownshirts and disappear people without due process.

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Post by Spivak »

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #46
like_any_other wrote: post #13

> Patel announced the arrest of Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan in a post on the social media platform X, which he deleted moments after posting. The post accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. Federal agents have been using this to charge people for nearly a century [1].…

The thing that has changed is that 6 months ago, directing federal agents away from an illegal immigrant couldn't be rationalized by one's oath to the Constitution committing one to a belief like "I don't think anyone should be blackbagged and sent to foreign torture prisons for the rest of their lives without due process." Sure, the law is the law, but it's certainly not true that nothing has changed.

Or just the simple "they're appearing in my courtroom I have an exclusive lock on them until I'm done."
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