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Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by bsphil »

cmelbye wrote: post #17
jmduke wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A screenshot of Eclipse that I grabbed off Google Images: http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/e/eclipse_i... I don't use a lot of IDEs, but I honestly can't see any substantial distinctions between any of the three. (And no, I don't consider centering a pane a distinction.)

Oh, come on. http://i.imgur.com/8uL8M.png vs http://cl.ly/IjBC http://i.imgur.com/2Kn4j.png vs http://cl.ly/Iiob http://i.imgur.com/RYYv9.png vs http://cl.ly/IiWX We're not talking similar features here, we're talking lazy carbon-copied user interfaces. You honestly think this was accidental and there's only one way to make an IDE? EDIT: A few more, now that we have a hi-res screenshot. http://i.imgur.com/SYSv2.png v…

Those... really don't look as close as you seem to think. Certainly not carbon copies.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by jonhendry »

achamayou wrote: post #34
cmelbye wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, come on. http://i.imgur.com/8uL8M.png vs http://cl.ly/IjBC http://i.imgur.com/2Kn4j.png vs http://cl.ly/Iiob http://i.imgur.com/RYYv9.png vs http://cl.ly/IiWX We're not talking similar features here, we're talking lazy carbon-copied user interfaces. You honestly think this was accidental and there's only one way to make an IDE? EDIT: A few more, now that we have a hi-res screenshot. http://i.imgur.com/SYSv2.png v…

But the scrollbars and widgets are not even similar, neither are the fonts, the color pickers or anything worth talking about... The only similarity seems to be blue-grayish tones, and possibly gradients (although the jpgs of the Samsung IDE are too blurry to really tell). Surely you're not talking about the drag and drop grid either, which was around years before Apple even made IDEs. There are plenty of lazy carbon…

You're missing the forest for the trees.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by jonhendry »

Zarathust wrote: post #19

About every IDE that support dockable panels can be customized to look like this. They can also be reorganized to look entirely different. Quick, find the patent for dockable panels and sue everyone!

Xcode's panels aren't movable, like Visual Studio's are. There are panels that appear in certain places, and can be hidden, and their sizes adjusted. But it's not like VS where you can grab something tear it off, stick it on the other side of the window, etc.

And I haven't seen any pictures that suggest Samsung's IDE has any configuration other than one that mimics Xcode's appearance.

But it's more than just the arrangement of functional areas. It's the appearance of the functional areas. The widget palette looks just like Xcode's, with icons on the left and lengthy descriptive text. That's different from the inspector on Delphi/VS, where there's a dynamic list of attributes for the selected UI widget in the UI editor, and each attribute that is editable has a place to edit it.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by jonhendry »

Gigablah wrote: post #47
cmelbye wrote: post #26

For comparison... Samsung's IDE: http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/15%283%29.png Xcode: http://cl.ly/Ijas Of course, as Samsung apologists will tell you, this was a pure accident on Samsung's part. Everyone knows there's only one way to design an IDE. Anyone designing one will eventually end up with a carbon-copy of Xcode.

As someone who has extensively used Xcode, I can assure you it's not a "carbon copy". And hey, here's a screenshot of Visual Basic: http://i.msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC158544.gif

If you think Visual Basic looks anything like Xcode, you're either detail-blind, or you've never used Xcode.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by jonhendry »

jmduke wrote: post #23
cmelbye wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, come on. http://i.imgur.com/8uL8M.png vs http://cl.ly/IjBC http://i.imgur.com/2Kn4j.png vs http://cl.ly/Iiob http://i.imgur.com/RYYv9.png vs http://cl.ly/IiWX We're not talking similar features here, we're talking lazy carbon-copied user interfaces. You honestly think this was accidental and there's only one way to make an IDE? EDIT: A few more, now that we have a hi-res screenshot. http://i.imgur.com/SYSv2.png v…

You honestly think this was accidental and there's only one way to make an IDE? I honestly don't know. I don't use any IDE on a regular basis. Judging by the relative quality of your screenshots, you use XCode -- is it possible that you'd be able to point out such similarities between any two IDEs, given the presumption that one IDE must be copying from another due to a current lawsuit?

"is it possible that you'd be able to point out such similarities between any two IDEs"

Most IDEs (Delphi, Eclipse, VS, VB) look a lot like VS & VB. That seems to be the template most often.

Xcode, having roots at NeXT, has always been a bit different, UI-wise. It has similar functions, presented in different ways, sometimes significantly different.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by jonhendry »

jack-r-abbit wrote: post #42
cmelbye wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, come on. http://i.imgur.com/8uL8M.png vs http://cl.ly/IjBC http://i.imgur.com/2Kn4j.png vs http://cl.ly/Iiob http://i.imgur.com/RYYv9.png vs http://cl.ly/IiWX We're not talking similar features here, we're talking lazy carbon-copied user interfaces. You honestly think this was accidental and there's only one way to make an IDE? EDIT: A few more, now that we have a hi-res screenshot. http://i.imgur.com/SYSv2.png v…

IMO, I don't think any of your "vs" go beyond normal "similar features" of any IDE... certainly nowhere near "carbon-copied". They don't even share the same icon set or rounded-ness. If I were a juror and I was given those as evidence, I would vote "not guilty".

Is there another IDE other than Xcode whose widget palette shows an icon and a lengthy textual description like that?

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by cmelbye »

Gigablah wrote: post #47
cmelbye wrote: post #26

For comparison... Samsung's IDE: http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/15%283%29.png Xcode: http://cl.ly/Ijas Of course, as Samsung apologists will tell you, this was a pure accident on Samsung's part. Everyone knows there's only one way to design an IDE. Anyone designing one will eventually end up with a carbon-copy of Xcode.

As someone who has extensively used Xcode, I can assure you it's not a "carbon copy". And hey, here's a screenshot of Visual Basic: http://i.msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC158544.gif

You can't be serious. Have you ever used Visual Basic? If you have, you'd know that it's toolbox, properties editor, etc. is nothing like Xcode's...

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by jonhendry »

keithnoizu wrote: post #10
katabatic wrote: post #4

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Features are one thing - yes, nearly all IDEs have lots of the same features. But that looks like they copied XCode 4's appearance directly. It's a pity the screenshots are so low resolution - hopefully some higher resolution shots of the Samsung software will turn up. But even in this example it's easy to spot lifted design elements: * The centered tab selector buttons in the title bar of each pane * The overall sty…

And que the return of the look feel wars of the early 90s.

I don't think anyone would care about this, if Samsung didn't seem to have a compulsion to copy so many Apple designs.

Copying Xcode's UI is not, in itself, a huge issue. But along with all the rest, it just looks rather shabby.

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