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Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by fredoliveira »

ajross wrote: post #33
fredoliveira wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've used Xcode before, you'll recognize things they copied that are not the norm in other IDEs. The object library, IB screen, the layout buttons on the toolbar (the entire toolbar, really). Sure, it's just an IDE, but heck if it doesn't look strikingly similar to Xcode. edit: cmelbye in this thread has a good comparison: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4378379

Other than the placement (but not iconography: those come straight from the 1980's VCR) of the Start/Stop buttons, I'm actually not quite sure that I see much. Can you elaborate? What's an "IB screen" (if it's the visual layout thing, I gotta say you're off by about 15 years trying to attribute that to Apple). But fair enough: let's say they cloned it. Now what? What corrective action should be taken? What if Eclipse…

Come on, you were going well until you threw around the fanboism argument.

But I'll bite: I do not think cloning a UI is fine. I think drawing inspiration from a UI is fine, because indeed, any new thing stands on the shoulders of what came before it. But actually cloning a UI (your words, cited) is making a clone, a copy, whose result is certainly not evolution or innovation. You're making a facsimile, doing no real creative work (or innovative work) to cut corners.

To me, this is less about it being Samsung and Apple, but about cutting corners in a blatant way. It's dumb, it's misguided, and these guys should know better. Just as you shouldn't ever say that cloning a UI is fine.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by jack-r-abbit »

cmelbye wrote: post #17
jmduke wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A screenshot of Eclipse that I grabbed off Google Images: http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/e/eclipse_i... I don't use a lot of IDEs, but I honestly can't see any substantial distinctions between any of the three. (And no, I don't consider centering a pane a distinction.)

Oh, come on. http://i.imgur.com/8uL8M.png vs http://cl.ly/IjBC http://i.imgur.com/2Kn4j.png vs http://cl.ly/Iiob http://i.imgur.com/RYYv9.png vs http://cl.ly/IiWX We're not talking similar features here, we're talking lazy carbon-copied user interfaces. You honestly think this was accidental and there's only one way to make an IDE? EDIT: A few more, now that we have a hi-res screenshot. http://i.imgur.com/SYSv2.png v…

IMO, I don't think any of your "vs" go beyond normal "similar features" of any IDE... certainly nowhere near "carbon-copied". They don't even share the same icon set or rounded-ness. If I were a juror and I was given those as evidence, I would vote "not guilty".

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by taligent »

gilini wrote: post #14
randomfool wrote: post #12

Or maybe they cloned Visual Studio. Or Flash Builder. Or whatever. All of the IDEs with a design surface are largely the same. Seriously- this is an IDE for televisions.

Agreed. Qt Designer used to look pretty much the same as well. Actually, I don't know why this court nonsense is still making the news.

Just went all the previous QT Designer screenshots in Google Images. And not a single one looks similar to either Xcode or the Samsung IDE.

And the court nonsense is still news because the case isn't over yet and this is demonstrating a pattern of copying by Samsung.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by taligent »

electic wrote: post #7

It is really sad to see Samsung throw away any brand capital it had as an innovative company. People respect you trying to innovate even if it might not be the best solution. People want to associate themselves with innovators. Disappointing.

This is Samsung's raison d'être.

They've been doing this with the Japanese companies (Sony, Panasonic, Sharp) for years now and have now set their sights on Apple.

It's a bad reflection on South Korea itself as between Samsung, Hyundai and the cultural copying they have the reputation as wannabe Japanese. Which is a real shame as it is a wonderful country with plenty of home grown talent.

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by Gigablah »

cmelbye wrote: post #26

For comparison... Samsung's IDE: http://www.imaso.co.kr/data/article/15%283%29.png Xcode: http://cl.ly/Ijas Of course, as Samsung apologists will tell you, this was a pure accident on Samsung's part. Everyone knows there's only one way to design an IDE. Anyone designing one will eventually end up with a carbon-copy of Xcode.

As someone who has extensively used Xcode, I can assure you it's not a "carbon copy".

And hey, here's a screenshot of Visual Basic: http://i.msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC158544.gif

Re: Samsung copied Xcode?

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Post by nivla »

What's with a lot of fanboism posts lately??? Heck the linked post doesn't even offer a clear picture of either of the IDE's. IDE's often look similar and its no secret. This is because developers often have to use different IDEs for different tasks and relearning a drastically different IDE is just a waste of time and resource. If I have to be in OP's shoes, I would find even Xcode to be a direct clone of Visual Basic's IDE!!!
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