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Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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I wonder if eBay's free listings is taking marketshare back?

eBay's listings are no longer free. They are now extorting their pound of flesh via a so-called "Buyer Protection Fee" which forces buyers , rather than sellers, to pay extra when purchasing items from private sellers.

Which is ironic, as both Ebay and PayPal tends to automatically side with buyer 99.9999% of the time in disputes.

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I want the equivalent of a shops in the real world. One shop doesn't carry everything. Even Spotify doesn't carry everything. For one, Apple doesn't allow adult content apps. Steam does. I'm sure there's a market for adult games on iPhone as Steam's success there would seem to suggest. I don't think Apple should be required to sell adult games but I also don't think they should get to dictate that people can't use th…

Why can’t people just buy Android phones that allow for this? They should change, not Apple and their users that like the walled garden.

I mean, you realise nobody is going to point a gun at your head and force you to sideload apps right?

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> "pay or consent" advertising model, Wait, so the EU has made it illegal to sell a paid service while also offering an alternative where the user pays via seeing ads?

No, the EU has made it illegal to extort payment before allowing people to opt-out of data collection or profiling.

but only in the context of the DMA (since facebook is a giant). this rule does not apply for smaller sites (like most news outlets)

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Requiring dedicated software available for free is not rent seeking, there is no rent, and it was not exactly rare in the more lifestyle pmp space.

It is the definition of rent. The cost is that I have to run your software on my device. I could create value for myself by running software of my choice, instead Apple destroys that value to create a percentage of it for themselves. Apple pretends to value user privacy and artist rights as these values often conveniently align with taking away user and partner control. The mask has slipped multiple times but their c…

> It is the definition of rent.

In no sense of “rent”, or “definition”.

> The cost is that I have to run your software on my device. I could create value for myself by running software of my choice

This is an outright Orwellian redefinition of the term.

> Apple pretends to value user privacy and artist rights as these values often conveniently align with taking away user and partner control. The mask has slipped multiple times but their control over users never will until they are legally required to treat their users like humans.

Ah, so you have an axe to grind against Apple and could not care less about the stone, got it.

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No, the EU has made it illegal to extort payment before allowing people to opt-out of data collection or profiling.

Extortion is a stretch. Nobody is being forced to use these services.

it's okay, your acquaintances will share their contact loss lists and so you can't miss out

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What service? You are free to use cellular service without your iPhone. There are other phones available. Apple is not gating your access to cellular

We're not talking about "other phones." We are talking about iPhones. The market is "iPhone users" not just "phone users".

"iPhone users" isn't a market. Otherwise every company would be a monopoly. That is absurd.

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Who does Facebook sell data to?

"Harvested and processed to add cohort tags to include in advertisement real-time bidding contests so advertisers can know how much to bid", while more precise, isn't as punchy as "harvested and sold".

So not sold. Also not your data. It is Facebook's data. It belongs to Facebook. You don't own it just because it happens to be about you.

Does someone own the Wikipedia page about them?! No, Wikipedia does.

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All the metaphors I've used are yours, Ivan. Why would they anger me? I'm not the one who came up with them :-). What you've pointed out has no bearing whatsoever on what's being discussed here. This isn't about some stretched out definition of "payment system" that applies to those services that happen to have both iOS and Android client applications. It's strictly about what works in applications available on Apple…

You're making a lot of noise to distract from the fact it is entirely possible to use other payment mechanisms for digital goods to consume in apps, and that from comparison to stores for physical goods we established that promoting other means for purchasing from the app on a given platform is an unreasonable expectation, exactly like expecting Coca Cola served in McDonalds to be allowed to be labelled "available fo…

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Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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> If not, they will have blunders and they will lose Europe since people are willing to look for alternatives as USA gets increasingly unpopular among the Europeans due to politics. But what alternative? There is no European smartphone OS. Windows and Steam OS and XBox are US-american, too. I suppose Linux, Playstation, and Nintendo, then?

Wouldn't be sad about a Linux smartphone.

Here you go: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5

(My daily driver)

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