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America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by johnisgood »

varjag wrote: post #47
sofixa wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unfortunately, Putin is likely going to keep invading up to Germany’s Fulda Gap Russia can barely handle a stalemate with Ukraine. They have zero chance offensively against Poland and the Baltics, let alone the full blown might of the EU+UK (which also have independent nuclear weapons in France and to an extent the UK). That doesn't mean that a Polish offensive can march into Moscow, but it doesn't have to for Puti…

> Russia can barely handle a stalemate with Ukraine. See, people look at the stalemate and often draw false conclusions. It's not that Russia was too weak militarily, it's that Ukraine put up one hell of a fight. And all these economy size comparisons are mostly meaningless. Sure Russia may have a GDP of Italy but by the same logic Ukraine (which is a fraction of Russian GDP) should have lost long ago. > They have ze…

> it's that Ukraine put up one hell of a fight.

I would like to add that, yes, with a lot of money and weapons from the US and other countries, they would not have been able to do it without their help. Am I wrong about the aid's significance, or did it not happen?

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by JKCalhoun »

netsharc wrote: post #33
chaostheory wrote: post #26

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My guess is that they were overtly trying to show Russia that we aren’t a direct threat to them anymore in the vain attempt to avoid fighting a two front war in the upcoming global war. Unfortunately, Putin is likely going to keep invading up to Germany’s Fulda Gap. If we’re still a part of NATO, we would have no choice but to declare war.

That feels overly deferrential to Putin... It's like a person with muscles witnessing a beating and then when the perpretaror notices, looking away and saying "I didn't see anything!".

Yeah, Chamberlain-level deferential.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by JKCalhoun »

lynndotpy wrote: post #56
meindnoch wrote: post #24

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"The computer is huge, you know, I told Elon the other day, and by the way I was the first one to say this, the computer is tremendous, tremendously important. Baron, you know, he's so good with the computer, and that's what I said many times, you know, good genes, good genes. A friend of mine, great guy, very smart guy, told me the other day, Donald, the computer, and by the way, this is what most people don't reali…

Is this a real quote from Donald Trump, or a humorous "this-is-what-he-would-say" thing?

It's hard to know. ;-)

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by rjsw »

simpaticoder wrote: post #54
antonioevans wrote: post #13

So in what way does this help the American people?

>So in what way does this help the American people? Shutting down Mitre and the CVE is against American interests, both public and private. That said, you can make an argument, one that revolves around cost (was the CVE DB worth $50M a year, especially given its backlog?). The other part of that argument rests on assuming there will be a private or semi-private replacement for the service, that there may be many of t…

NIST used to punch above its weight, everyone that I know who worked there has left over the last few months.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

cwillu wrote: post #46
netsharc wrote: post #33

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That feels overly deferrential to Putin... It's like a person with muscles witnessing a beating and then when the perpretaror notices, looking away and saying "I didn't see anything!".

So, cowardice?

He'll do anything to keep his kompromat from being disclosed.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by ryao »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #58
ryao wrote: post #32

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I would think that phrase is related to the phrase, “he who does not work, does not eat”, which is in the Bible: https://biblehub.com/2_thessalonians/3-10.htm The phrase “he who does not work, does not eat” was never intended by its author to be applied to those who were physically incapable of working. You might say otherwise, but Saint Paul had been a very traditional adherent of the Jewish faith, which had require…

I didn't know anyone was splitting hairs as to whether the phrase was to be applied to the helpless. Regardless, it always seems to be used as a cudgel against those whom the invoker believes is lazy or undeserving of God's help. (As an atheist though the phrase always seemed like a justification for why prayers were not being answered.)

My mother has invoked it at various points in my life to try to motivate me to do the bare minimum to help myself when she did not think I was doing even that much (and was capable of doing it). I suppose that could have seemed like a cudgel to observers, but it was not.

As for prayers being unanswered, there are two tragedies in this world. One is not getting what you want. The other is getting it. Interestingly, the Mouse Utopia Experiment showed that giving everyone everything that they could ever want is ultimately bad for them. That is perhaps a major reason why various prayers are unanswered.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by netsharc »

anonymars wrote: post #57
netsharc wrote: post #33

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That feels overly deferrential to Putin... It's like a person with muscles witnessing a beating and then when the perpretaror notices, looking away and saying "I didn't see anything!".

Or worse, rifling through the victim's pockets (mineral deal) and demanding a thank you. So far John McCain had this one right. Show Putin weakness at your peril. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLAzeHnNgR8

The mineral deal smells like a sharing the spoils of war with Putin, I wonder if Putin mentioned it on that phone call they had.

Thinking of a Moscow-Washington phone call makes me think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=6&v=6T2uBeiNXAo

> Why do you think I'm calling you? Just to say hello? Of course I like to speak to you. Of course I like to say hello.

Oh SNL, please make a spoof of this...

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by JKCalhoun »

anannymoose wrote: post #9
aqme28 wrote: post #8

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As opposed to who else funding it?

The UN? Make it an international cooperative effort?

Generally you would make plans to do that first — before cutting off your nose so to speak.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by macintux »

noelwelsh wrote: post #5
yieldcrv wrote: post #2

> It's the global catalog that helps everyone – security teams, software vendors, researchers, governments – organize and talk about vulnerabilities using the same reference system so why was only the US federal government funding it, especially if it wasn't expensive to maintain? this is the follow up question to every headline and won't be seen as controversial later, so why bother treating it as controversial to s…

Completely irrelevant. Deliberately or not you're repeating the Trump / DOGE talking point of government expense, focused on expenses that individually and in aggregate contribute practically nothing to the federal budget.

It's clear that Trumps sees everything as zero sum. If he can't see that he's personally and directly benefiting, clearly it's a waste of money.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

lynndotpy wrote: post #56
meindnoch wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The computer is huge, you know, I told Elon the other day, and by the way I was the first one to say this, the computer is tremendous, tremendously important. Baron, you know, he's so good with the computer, and that's what I said many times, you know, good genes, good genes. A friend of mine, great guy, very smart guy, told me the other day, Donald, the computer, and by the way, this is what most people don't reali…

Is this a real quote from Donald Trump, or a humorous "this-is-what-he-would-say" thing?

This is our weapon against Skynet. DonGPT will keep it perpetually confused with it's aimless rambles.
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