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America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by tokai »

ryao wrote: post #7
esskay wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the same reason the US considers its self the "leader" of the world. You can't have it both ways, if you want to "lead", you've gotta pay for it.

Has the U.S. ever claimed to be the leader of the world? I do not think any country has ever claimed that title. The closest to it would be some of the remarks that are supposedly made to each Pope upon becoming Pope. That said, there is the similar sounding title called “the leader of the free world” applied to the U.S. president since the end of WWII. I always thought that was the result of military alliances, not…

Provide a source on the Pope thing please.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by ryao »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #30
antonioevans wrote: post #13

So in what way does this help the American people?

I guess that after "In god we trust" on the bank notes, it's now "god helps those who help themselves" for the rest. > The phrase is often mistaken as a scriptural quote, though it is not stated in the Bible. Some Christians consider the expression contrary to the biblical message of God's grace and help for the helpless, and its denunciation of greed and selfishness. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helps_those_w…

I would think that phrase is related to the phrase, “he who does not work, does not eat”, which is in the Bible:

https://biblehub.com/2_thessalonians/3-10.htm

The phrase “he who does not work, does not eat” was never intended by its author to be applied to those who were physically incapable of working. You might say otherwise, but Saint Paul had been a very traditional adherent of the Jewish faith, which had required farmers to leave portions of their harvest for the poor and destitute. The idea that he thought those who were physically incapable of working should not eat is absurd. It is unlikely he had a change of heart on this matter after his conversion to Christianity given that he had viewed Christianity as the continuation of Judaism.

Anyway, I always thought the phrase “God helps those who help themselves” meant you had to do a bare minimum within your capability to take care of yourself if you want help. I think it is a corruption to claim the phrase “God helps those who help themselves” in any way implies that God does not help those who are incapable of helping themselves.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by netsharc »

chaostheory wrote: post #26
antonioevans wrote: post #13

So in what way does this help the American people?

My guess is that they were overtly trying to show Russia that we aren’t a direct threat to them anymore in the vain attempt to avoid fighting a two front war in the upcoming global war. Unfortunately, Putin is likely going to keep invading up to Germany’s Fulda Gap. If we’re still a part of NATO, we would have no choice but to declare war.

That feels overly deferrential to Putin...

It's like a person with muscles witnessing a beating and then when the perpretaror notices, looking away and saying "I didn't see anything!".

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by viraptor »

_heimdall wrote: post #19
freen wrote: post #16

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Ahh, yes, this is exactly how one goes about making it a cooperative effort, which is something this administration is clearly an expert at doing.

Your snark misses the fact that the program has been funded by the US for 25 years and the decision to not make it a UN project has nothing to do with the current administration.

Trying to cut it immediately instead of saying "ok, it needs to become a joint international effort starting on (a date months ahead)" is the issue with the current administration. Running it is fine, handing it over is fine, suddenly making a huge mess is not.

That's the missing cooperation.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by greenie_beans »

meindnoch wrote: post #24
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #20

Trump is going to be surprised for a second time that "everything's computer".

"The computer is huge, you know, I told Elon the other day, and by the way I was the first one to say this, the computer is tremendous, tremendously important. Baron, you know, he's so good with the computer, and that's what I said many times, you know, good genes, good genes. A friend of mine, great guy, very smart guy, told me the other day, Donald, the computer, and by the way, this is what most people don't reali…

lmaoooo

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by jillesvangurp »

antonioevans wrote: post #13

So in what way does this help the American people?

They get to collaborate with the rest of the world on security instead of relying on their government protecting them. This will push companies that are exposed to lawsuits to up their game and re-organize. And given their exposure to lawsuits, I doubt they'll drop the ball. They can't afford to. This is one area where the private sector should not need a lot of help.

I have a European perspective to this. This isn't as bad as it looks. The rest of the world should in any case not rely on the US federal government for their security. So, there was always going to be some duplication of effort needed here. And given the whole tariff situation, there is of course quite a bit of interest in non US based alternatives to your favorite US based trillion $ companies and their services and lots of companies giving the evil eye to any US based service providers. I've been seeing a lot of that lately with our German customers; especially in the public sector.

Short term mildly disruptive for some companies but not something to panic over.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by fooList »

ryao wrote: post #21
locopati wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all due respect, you're being pedantic. No, we're not talking about official titles bestowed from on high. The US has been considered the world leader from WW2 until sometime in the 21st century, partly because nobody else wanted to claim it, partly because American foreign policy is aggressive, partly because the American economy was the most robust on in the aftermath of WW2.

The U.S. has never been the world leader. The U.S. has been a military leader for other democracies since the end of WWII. That is why the title, leader of the free world has been applied to the U.S. president, who is the leader of the various military alliances between various major democracies. If you claim the U.S. considered itself to be the world leader, then you are claiming the U.S. considered itself to be the…

If I say, “I like to lead by example”, that can mean leadership in the moral sense of progressive politics. Americans view America that way, as the leader of liberalism and social justice. Even Americans who don’t see America or American history that way, tend to see themselves (ironically?) that way. But that’s a different meaning of leader. We lead by things like protests, humanitarian aid and having enlightened celebrities.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by JeremyNT »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #36
antonioevans wrote: post #13

So in what way does this help the American people?

They get to collaborate with the rest of the world on security instead of relying on their government protecting them. This will push companies that are exposed to lawsuits to up their game and re-organize. And given their exposure to lawsuits, I doubt they'll drop the ball. They can't afford to. This is one area where the private sector should not need a lot of help. I have a European perspective to this. This isn't…

> And given their exposure to lawsuits, I doubt they'll drop the ball. They can't afford to.

Color me skeptical. How many companies have lost sensitive due to extreme carelessness, time and again? The cost of taking security seriously is greater than the cost of settling after the fact.

I feel like even the biggest data breaches result in little more than victims being offered free credit monitoring.

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Post by prophesi »

Bit of a sparse article. The near-miss of CVE funding is certainly tragic, but there's no mention of how they siphoned data from the NLRB and locked everyone out of their accounts, and give only a quick mention to cutting federal grants for cybersecurity and CISA's funding. There's a lot more ammo out there to show how incompetent the Trump administration and Musk's DOGE team actually is.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

ryao wrote: post #32
whynotmaybe wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess that after "In god we trust" on the bank notes, it's now "god helps those who help themselves" for the rest. > The phrase is often mistaken as a scriptural quote, though it is not stated in the Bible. Some Christians consider the expression contrary to the biblical message of God's grace and help for the helpless, and its denunciation of greed and selfishness. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helps_those_w…

I would think that phrase is related to the phrase, “he who does not work, does not eat”, which is in the Bible: https://biblehub.com/2_thessalonians/3-10.htm The phrase “he who does not work, does not eat” was never intended by its author to be applied to those who were physically incapable of working. You might say otherwise, but Saint Paul had been a very traditional adherent of the Jewish faith, which had require…

Since there is plenty of room for uncharitable interpretations, it would be controversial. More controversy about religion.

The status quo "in god we trust" is universally hopeful.

"God help us" can sound helpless (cheek in tongue)

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