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Re: An update to our pricing

#31
Cursor and Windsurf pricing really turned me off. I prefer Claude Code's direct API costs, because it feels more quantifiable to me cost wise. I can load up Claude Code, implement a feature, and close it, and I get a solid dollar value of how much that cost me. It makes it easier for me to mentally write off the low cost of wasteful requests when the AI gets something wrong or starts to spin its wheels.

With Cursor/Windsurf, you make requests, your allowed credit quantity ticks down (which creates anxiety about running out), and you're trying to do some mental math to figure out how those requests that actually cost you. It feels like a method to obfuscate the real cost to the user and also create an incentive for the user to not use the product very much because of the rapidly approaching limits during a focus/flow coding session. I spent about an hour using Cursor Pro and had used up over 30% of my monthly credits on something relatively small, which made me realize their $20/mo plan likely was not going to meet my needs and how much it would really cost me seemed like an unanswerable question.

I just don't like it as a customer and it makes me very suspicious of the business model as a result. I spent about $50 on a week with Claude Code, and could easily spend more I bet. The idea that Cursor and Windsurf are suggesting a $20/mo plan could be a good fit for someone like me, in the face of that $50 in one week figure, further illustrates that there is something that doesn't quite match up with these 'credit' based billing systems.

Re: An update to our pricing

#32
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> To train, develop, and improve the artificial intelligence, machine learning, and models that we use to support our Services. We may use your Log and Usage Information and Prompts and Outputs Information for this purpose. https://windsurf.com/privacy-policy Am I the only one bothered by this? Same with Gemini Advanced (paid) training on your prompts. It feels like I’m paying with money, but also handing over my ent…

Oh, that's not great. Cursor has a privacy mode where you can avoid this.

>If you enable "Privacy Mode" in Cursor's settings: zero data retention will be enabled, and none of your code will ever be stored or trained on by us or any third-party.

https://www.cursor.com/privacy

Re: An update to our pricing

#33
Anything the requires me to use a different IDE is a non-starter for me.

I can imagine it is a lot easier to develop these things as a custom version of VSCode instead of plugins/extensions for a handful of the popular existing IDEs, but is that really a good long term plan? Is the future going to be littered with a bunch of one-off custom IDEs? Does anyone want that future?

Re: An update to our pricing

#34
As a daily full time Windsurf user, I can emphatically state that it is strictly inferior to multiple free/open source tools like Cline and Claude Code that work directly with Anthropic/OpenAI keys, no "flow credits" involved.

Good on them for catching the enterprise market, but that's about all it is; an enterprise friendly wrapper for a second-rate VSCode extension.

Re: An update to our pricing

#35

Solely from reading the headline, I'm going to assume "update" means "price increase". I'm going to read the rest of the article before continuing the comment. Alright, I'm back, this sounds like one of the rare times in which a pricing "update" is actually an update and not just a disguised increase. But I'm also not a Windsurf user, so let me jump through some of the comments and double-check that I didn't get hood…

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Re: An update to our pricing

#36

Cursor and Windsurf pricing really turned me off. I prefer Claude Code's direct API costs, because it feels more quantifiable to me cost wise. I can load up Claude Code, implement a feature, and close it, and I get a solid dollar value of how much that cost me. It makes it easier for me to mentally write off the low cost of wasteful requests when the AI gets something wrong or starts to spin its wheels. With Cursor/W…

> I spent about an hour using Cursor Pro and had used up over 30% of my monthly credits

Sorry, but how is this possible? They give 500 credits in a month for the "premium" queries. I don't even think I'd be able to ask more than one question per minute even with tiny requests. I haven't tried the Agent mode. Does that burn through queries?

Re: An update to our pricing

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post #6

> To train, develop, and improve the artificial intelligence, machine learning, and models that we use to support our Services. We may use your Log and Usage Information and Prompts and Outputs Information for this purpose. https://windsurf.com/privacy-policy Am I the only one bothered by this? Same with Gemini Advanced (paid) training on your prompts. It feels like I’m paying with money, but also handing over my ent…

> Same with Gemini Advanced (paid) training on your prompts I'm not sure if this is true. > 17. Training Restriction. Google will not use Customer Data to train or fine-tune any AI/ML models without Customer's prior permission or instruction. https://cloud.google.com/terms/service-terms > This Generative AI for Google Workspace Privacy Hub covers... the Gemini app on web (i.e. gemini.google.com) and mobile (Android a…

Right, it's the free Gemini that has this: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms#unpaid-services

> When you use Unpaid Services, including, for example, Google AI Studio and the unpaid quota on Gemini API, Google uses the content you submit to the Services and any generated responses to provide, improve, and develop Google products and services and machine learning technologies, including Google's enterprise features, products, and services, consistent with our Privacy Policy.

Re: An update to our pricing

#38
post #6

> To train, develop, and improve the artificial intelligence, machine learning, and models that we use to support our Services. We may use your Log and Usage Information and Prompts and Outputs Information for this purpose. https://windsurf.com/privacy-policy Am I the only one bothered by this? Same with Gemini Advanced (paid) training on your prompts. It feels like I’m paying with money, but also handing over my ent…

> Same with Gemini Advanced (paid) training on your prompts I'm not sure if this is true. > 17. Training Restriction. Google will not use Customer Data to train or fine-tune any AI/ML models without Customer's prior permission or instruction. https://cloud.google.com/terms/service-terms > This Generative AI for Google Workspace Privacy Hub covers... the Gemini app on web (i.e. gemini.google.com) and mobile (Android a…

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Re: An update to our pricing

#39

Cursor and Windsurf pricing really turned me off. I prefer Claude Code's direct API costs, because it feels more quantifiable to me cost wise. I can load up Claude Code, implement a feature, and close it, and I get a solid dollar value of how much that cost me. It makes it easier for me to mentally write off the low cost of wasteful requests when the AI gets something wrong or starts to spin its wheels. With Cursor/W…

How do you run out of premium requests, I've peeked at the stats across my company and never seen this happen.

Re: An update to our pricing

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post #6

> To train, develop, and improve the artificial intelligence, machine learning, and models that we use to support our Services. We may use your Log and Usage Information and Prompts and Outputs Information for this purpose. https://windsurf.com/privacy-policy Am I the only one bothered by this? Same with Gemini Advanced (paid) training on your prompts. It feels like I’m paying with money, but also handing over my ent…

> Same with Gemini Advanced (paid) training on your prompts I'm not sure if this is true. > 17. Training Restriction. Google will not use Customer Data to train or fine-tune any AI/ML models without Customer's prior permission or instruction. https://cloud.google.com/terms/service-terms > This Generative AI for Google Workspace Privacy Hub covers... the Gemini app on web (i.e. gemini.google.com) and mobile (Android a…

That’s for Google Cloud APIs.

See my post here about Gemini Advanced (the web chat app) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43756269

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