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Post by salviati »

jjude wrote: post #34
carlos-menezes wrote: post #23

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis... > According to Archbishop Diego Ravelli, Master of Apostolic Ceremonies, the late Pope Francis had requested that the funeral rites be simplified and focused on expressing the faith of the Church in the Risen Body of Christ. Always struck me as a simple man and that likely contributed to people liking him more when compared to his predecessors. RIP.

Pope John Paul II was also extremely popular across the world.

His global appeal was real, but his decision to give Opus Dei and similar conservative Catholic networks special status under the Vatican had serious consequences.

Elevating Escrivá to sainthood and creating a personal prelature for Opus Dei handed them unmatched moral authority—authority they used to push back on women’s autonomy, justify discrimination against LGBTQ+ people, and quietly influence politics from Spain to Latin America.

Popularity doesn’t erase the impact of empowering hard‑right movements that have harmed lives across the globe.

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Post by eqmvii »

fleabitdev wrote: post #110

Last year, an interviewer asked Francis how he envisages hell. His response stayed with me: “It’s difficult to imagine it. What I would say is not a dogma of faith, but my personal thought: I like to think hell is empty; I hope it is.”

A much more hopeful version than “Hell is empty, and all the devils are here”!

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Post by grandempire »

froh wrote: post #100
grandempire wrote: post #64

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> especially w.r.t science I would like to know more. My impression is that most Christian institutions have long ago disentangled from scientific debate - providing interpretative value rather than alternative science. This is part of a larger trend to focus their scope and mission in modern life. Have the last few popes made comments on scientific issues? (The exception is evangelical Americans.)

the pontifical academy of science has. https://www.pas.va/en.html

Thanks. That looks like a way for Catholics to support and endorse scientific research rather than a develop alternative science.

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Post by kome »

aredox wrote: post #115
kome wrote: post #91

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Bergoglio was a South American intellectual. He could recognize a proxy war when he saw one. That's why his account of the war was a tad more complex and articulated than that of the average liberal Anglo.

He even sees a proxy war when there is none... Let me make this clear for you: Russia invaded Ukraine, and wants to erase the existence of Ukraine. Russia steals Ukrainian grain and agricultural machines. Russia destroys Ukrainian museums and any historical artefact related to Ukrainian writers. Russia steals ukrainian children to raise them as russians. Russia is engaged in open genocidal elimination of Ukraine. The…

point in case

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Post by jychang »

jongjong wrote: post #82
gizzlon wrote: post #70

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It's Easter :)

I don't know. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it sounded like he was referring to something broader, especially given the explicit political references he made later.

... He's referring to "Christ is risen". That's way more broad (conceptually) and very in-character for the Pope, compared to some transient current events.

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Post by keybored »

Ygg2 wrote: post #75
zerobrainwash wrote: post #57

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> The line between good and evil is very clear in this case. Edit parent meant Ukraine war, not the Israel conflict quote Pope had.

To your pre-edit:

> [basically] What if in a different world Hamas had all the weapons plus the backing of the US while Israel only had shoddy weapons?

In a hypothetical world where Usain Bolt was raised on Greenland and became interested in competitive gaming: would he have become the fastest human? Probably not. Different timelines.

This Sam Harris exercise is meaningless. The goal is not to measure the level of evil in the hearts of or . That’s impossible. Hypotheticals that have nothing to do with reality are also fruitless. The goal is to figure out what evil actions are being committed and stop them.

But the abuser only did those things because he was abused as a child for eight yea— What’s that got to do with the problem at hand?

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Post by scrollop »

column wrote: post #119
carlos-menezes wrote: post #54

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He was, but John Paul II was traditionally conservative. I think Francis resonated with more people–Christian or not–because he emphasized compassion, humility, and social justice. He spoke more openly about issues like poverty, climate change, and inclusion–his encyclical LAUDATO SI’ is a great read–, and he often used language and gestures that the "common man" could relate to. Perhaps the way he dressed so simply–…

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"telling Ukraine to "have the courage of the white flag"."

Perhaps he should have told Russia to have the "courage" to stop murdering people.

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Post by tiahura »

carlos-menezes wrote: post #23

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis... > According to Archbishop Diego Ravelli, Master of Apostolic Ceremonies, the late Pope Francis had requested that the funeral rites be simplified and focused on expressing the faith of the Church in the Risen Body of Christ. Always struck me as a simple man and that likely contributed to people liking him more when compared to his predecessors. RIP.

My first impression when he arrived was of the Bishop of Digne. May the world be that lucky again.
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