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Re: Pope Francis has died

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That's a generalization that does not help the vision of the world he had. Putin is the villain. Spreading the bad image of Russian people in general is not really helping anything. Even if the polls in Russia might show support for the war, it's mostly because everybody in Russia if afraid of speaking their opinion in public.

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the film Conclave did a very good job at showing the politics and conflicts within the catholic church

I think that is merely skin deep - Catholicism provided an interesting setting or scenery for a story, rather than being the subject.

i think that is intendeded; it's not a movie about catholicism but about politics and human nature. What I meant is that it shows the internal workings of the papal election and the conflicts within the catholic church that may be unknown to laypeople.

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RIP. His speech yesterday (he dictated it I guess) was very very political, not on the usual level, felt like a finally "all out" for me. https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/messages/urbi/do...

Thanks for posting this.

>> Love has triumphed over hatred, light over darkness and truth over falsehood.

This is interesting since I thought he was displeased about recent world events (e.g. Trump's election, shift towards deglobalization, ...).

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I wonder whether we will have another Jesuit Pope. Jesuits are supposed to be generally very education focused, more progressive (especially w.r.t science) and stand less on ceremony. I know nothing about how the College of Cardinals work, but if they're anything like other political voting bodies, one of two outcomes are possible: a swing to the Right (and toward tradition), recognizing the current balance of power…

> especially w.r.t science

I would like to know more. My impression is that most Christian institutions have long ago disentangled from scientific debate - providing interpretative value rather than alternative science. This is part of a larger trend to focus their scope and mission in modern life. Have the last few popes made comments on scientific issues?

(The exception is evangelical Americans.)

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With all due respect, massacring civilians because “you have no other choice” is historically not an excuse holding up in courts. Israel has enormous advantage over Palestinians and while I don’t mind them waging war with Hamas, indiscriminate bombing is not ok and never will be.

> With all due respect, massacring civilians because “you have no other choice” is historically not an excuse holding up in courts. The thing is, under the rules of war, protected installations (such as residential areas or even hospitals) lose their protection if they are being abused by a warring party for military operations. Otherwise, it would be an open invitation for anyone to do what Hamas did - force the oth…

> protected installations (such as residential areas or even hospitals) lose their protection if they are being abused by a warring party for military operations

You should maybe research where key millitary apparatus of the Israeli state is located. The headquarters of the IDF for example.

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>that is mostly made of misheard slogans and made up discriminations Aside from legitimate concern about the genocide in Gaza, there's also been a rise in good-old-fashioned antisemitism, especially among young people: https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/46-adults-worldw... . For instance: 40% of those under age 35 affirm that “Jews are responsible for most of the world’s wars” while it is 29% for those over…

The argument that claims of antisemitism are exagerated is ridiculous, there are prominent figures with ties to the US government giving literal nazi salutes. That said, the reaction of the ADL to those figures leads me to question their integrity as well.

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I believe you will find the majority of progressive Jews has said that Israel, and more specifically the government of Israel, does not speak for Jews worldwide. In fact many rabbis have written about the nauseating position of having Israel be considered a representative of all Jews by so many people

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I think he will be mostly remembered as a terrible politician, first alienating conservatives with progressive policy and then alienating liberals with very questionable opinions on war in Ukraine. In the end, nobody was really happy with him. On the other hand, he definitely had a will and a spine to stick to his own opinions - I guess that counts for something.

I don't think that US conservatives and liberals are were the center of gravity of papal policy is.

US doesn’t have a monopoly on those words and I am not even American.

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I think that is merely skin deep - Catholicism provided an interesting setting or scenery for a story, rather than being the subject.

i think that is intendeded; it's not a movie about catholicism but about politics and human nature. What I meant is that it shows the internal workings of the papal election and the conflicts within the catholic church that may be unknown to laypeople.

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Re: Pope Francis has died

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RIP. His speech yesterday (he dictated it I guess) was very very political, not on the usual level, felt like a finally "all out" for me. https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/messages/urbi/do...

Thanks for posting this. >> Love has triumphed over hatred, light over darkness and truth over falsehood. This is interesting since I thought he was displeased about recent world events (e.g. Trump's election, shift towards deglobalization, ...).

It's Easter :)
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