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Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Post by yellowapple »

MattSayar wrote: post #133
joak wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good to be able to disable this option: I use old Android phones as servers and don't want them to reboot every 3 days.

Completely agree, I don't want this to disrupt the Bop Spotter https://walzr.com/bop-spotter

Probably a good time as any to replace it with something purpose-built anyway. A Raspberry Pi with a directional microphone and a custom app feeding said microphone data to a service like AudD or ACRCloud could readily do the trick without any of Android's extra baggage - though I do wonder how effective those services would be at detecting songs amid a bunch of background noise like Bop Spotter does via Shazam.

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Post by saagarjha »

Aeolun wrote: post #32
jillyboel wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For when it's sitting in an evidence baggy in the police station connected to a charger waiting for forensics

If that is a good thing what does that imply about my activities (or what an utter failure your justice system is)?

I guarantee you that regardless of where you live your justice system is abusing the same access.

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Post by saagarjha »

nradov wrote: post #168
mh- wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't had that happen on iOS, but I have woken up in the night needing my flashlight just to find my phone applying a lengthy update. I have it set to download automatically and install manually now, I believe.

You don't keep a real flashlight next to your bed?

Why would you when you have a phone?

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Post by LWIRVoltage »

gcanyon wrote: post #39
greatgib wrote: post #34

It's good to have an option like that, even being a default, but there definitively need a switch to disable that if it is your own will. It's not even necessarily that good enough against cops, because in a lot of shitty countries, even some pretending to be democratics, not disclosing or at least inputting your password might be a crime severely punished. If I'm not wrong, there was a guy that had to stay years in…

For this use case there needs to be a reasonably quick way to erase/permanently lock a phone. Or maybe it needs to be something that is both 1. Less severe than that 2. Secure against personal inducements 3. More automatic. So maybe something like a paired app with a friend/someone who is beyond the reach of the authorities, and if the phone isn't unlocked in a given definable period (or it can be triggered immediate…

A Veracrypt style hidden OS profile that is forensically invisible would be a better option - This would allow one to enter a password and give another "profile" or OS- that unlike current alternate profile stuff- would be solid against Cellebrite and GreyKey snooping into the device, and it'd be impossible to tell there was a hidden user/etc on it

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Post by saagarjha »

SXX wrote: post #37
greatgib wrote: post #34

It's good to have an option like that, even being a default, but there definitively need a switch to disable that if it is your own will. It's not even necessarily that good enough against cops, because in a lot of shitty countries, even some pretending to be democratics, not disclosing or at least inputting your password might be a crime severely punished. If I'm not wrong, there was a guy that had to stay years in…

This is super annoying on newer iOS for device that I use purely for development. Before it was possible just keep iPhone unlocked indefenitely, but now it reboots and boom I have to use TouchID again. This is again Apple being Apple making things harder without option to disable it even when development mode is on. Has anyone found a way to bypass it?

Keep an app running?

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Post by sneak »

nradov wrote: post #168
mh- wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't had that happen on iOS, but I have woken up in the night needing my flashlight just to find my phone applying a lengthy update. I have it set to download automatically and install manually now, I believe.

You don't keep a real flashlight next to your bed?

You don’t keep a real camera next to your bed? What about a two-way radio? MP3 player?

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Post by sneak »

ololobus wrote: post #144
greatgib wrote: post #34

It's good to have an option like that, even being a default, but there definitively need a switch to disable that if it is your own will. It's not even necessarily that good enough against cops, because in a lot of shitty countries, even some pretending to be democratics, not disclosing or at least inputting your password might be a crime severely punished. If I'm not wrong, there was a guy that had to stay years in…

I can only second this. I have an old iPhone with a second sim-card, because I need it from time to time. And Apple introduced this auto-reboot a bit earlier, iirc last year. The problem is that after rebooting it also disconnects from wifi, so e.g. SMS/handoff synchronization stops working until you enter a passcode. This is very annoying because it was very convenient for me to receive calls/SMS to my main iPhone.…

Apple doesn’t like supporting the use case of multiple phones for one person. They even encourage their employees to use their personal devices and accounts.

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Post by elashri »

layer8 wrote: post #160
elashri wrote: post #149

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But this still weaken your defense against apple or whomever you are trying to defend against.

Why not have the option, though?

I don't understand option to do what, you can disable advanced data protection for sure. What do you suggest here ?

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Post by sneak »

glenstein wrote: post #94
greatgib wrote: post #34

It's good to have an option like that, even being a default, but there definitively need a switch to disable that if it is your own will. It's not even necessarily that good enough against cops, because in a lot of shitty countries, even some pretending to be democratics, not disclosing or at least inputting your password might be a crime severely punished. If I'm not wrong, there was a guy that had to stay years in…

>not disclosing or at least inputting your password might be a crime severely punished And to your point, I believe it's now the case in the U.S. that you can be legally compelled to unlock a fingerprint lock, but not a pin for whatever reason.

Biometrics aren’t testimony.

You don’t have to do anything for someone to hold a phone to your fingertip, or a camera to your face.

Re: Android phones will soon reboot themselves after sitting unused for three days

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Post by MattSayar »

yellowapple wrote: post #171
MattSayar wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree, I don't want this to disrupt the Bop Spotter https://walzr.com/bop-spotter

Probably a good time as any to replace it with something purpose-built anyway. A Raspberry Pi with a directional microphone and a custom app feeding said microphone data to a service like AudD or ACRCloud could readily do the trick without any of Android's extra baggage - though I do wonder how effective those services would be at detecting songs amid a bunch of background noise like Bop Spotter does via Shazam.

I think half the value of the phone here is the built-in battery
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