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Cyberpunk 1958: The Early Days of the Polish IT Industry

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Re: Cyberpunk 1958: The Early Days of the Polish IT Industry

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>Developed between 1977 and 1982 on Mera 400 computers by a team led by Andrzej Salwicki, Loglan’82 was ahead of its time

> Programmers using Loglan’82 simply did not have to worry about issues keeping their Java-using colleagues up at night

Sometimes it would've been better if they just asked LLM to write an article.

Re: Cyberpunk 1958: The Early Days of the Polish IT Industry

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> Thinking about it I realized that circa 2000, Poland's early desktop and home computers were probably still in use Around 2000 we were already using normal x86 machines in the offices and homes. There was a company named Optimus which had multiple branches that back then provided: computers (assembling and selling these), software - they've become an official distributor for e.g. Activision, Ubisoft, Id Software, D…

> due to financial management "problems" those problems were not management, founder of Optimus- Roman Kluska is one of the most briliant minds in Poland, even today. Problems were caused by the state itself, first directing Optimus to book VAT in certain way, and then the same state accusing Optimus of defrauding VAT. Roman Kluska was imprisoned and had to pay 8mln PLN to be bailed, later when he was deemed not guil…

I knew a person who worked in an important role in Optimus in the early days... I have a very different image of Roman Kluska.

Re: Cyberpunk 1958: The Early Days of the Polish IT Industry

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It's fascinating to have a glimpse into a parallel history of computing that happened in a small country without the resources to make it big, but with tireless efforts of brilliant mathematicians and engineers who made the advancements against the odds. If the history ran along a parallel path, I wonder what could have been different and what would have ended up exactly the same. For the PL nerds who are curious abo…

Not to be confused with the other Loglan:

http://www.loglan.org/

Which evolved into Lojban:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban

Re: Cyberpunk 1958: The Early Days of the Polish IT Industry

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I found this YouTube channel about the MERA-400, complete with interviews with its designer [0]. Unfortunately, it is all in Polish. [0] https://youtube.com/@mera400

Fortunately, automatically generated subtitles are often good enough.

I noticed if the speaker has a thick accent, it will often interpret them as speaking their own native language, and generate nonsense.

Re: Cyberpunk 1958: The Early Days of the Polish IT Industry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> due to financial management "problems" those problems were not management, founder of Optimus- Roman Kluska is one of the most briliant minds in Poland, even today. Problems were caused by the state itself, first directing Optimus to book VAT in certain way, and then the same state accusing Optimus of defrauding VAT. Roman Kluska was imprisoned and had to pay 8mln PLN to be bailed, later when he was deemed not guil…

I knew a person who worked in an important role in Optimus in the early days... I have a very different image of Roman Kluska.

Good for you, friend, he surely is no saint- none of us is. But it is fact that all information served in Polish media about him were lies- proven in court when he was released from all charges. I can't remember media lounching the campaign to tell the truth, at the same magnitude they were spreading lies. And it is also true that he was the one to build Optimus from scratch, he started in his garrage- very much the story of Polish startup to learn from. Personally I know very few people who really liked their boss, and sadly this was especially true among Polish people in the '90s. I personally know business owners of the time who were stolen from by their management and employees. Finally, Roman Kluska being devote Catholic makes him many enemies simply because of that fact.

Re: Cyberpunk 1958: The Early Days of the Polish IT Industry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thinking about it I realized that circa 2000, Poland's early desktop and home computers were probably still in use Around 2000 we were already using normal x86 machines in the offices and homes. There was a company named Optimus which had multiple branches that back then provided: computers (assembling and selling these), software - they've become an official distributor for e.g. Activision, Ubisoft, Id Software, D…

> Around 2000 we were already using normal x86 machines in the offices and homes. Yes, I assumed so but figured if Poland had homegrown 8-bit micros in the mid-80s similar to the Galaksija in Yugoslavia or the rare Pecom 64 (of which I have one in my collection!), that they might still be in original owners hands in 2000 instead of museums. > Country itself changed in last 20 years and if you haven't seen it again in…

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Re: Cyberpunk 1958: The Early Days of the Polish IT Industry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Around 2000 we were already using normal x86 machines in the offices and homes. Yes, I assumed so but figured if Poland had homegrown 8-bit micros in the mid-80s similar to the Galaksija in Yugoslavia or the rare Pecom 64 (of which I have one in my collection!), that they might still be in original owners hands in 2000 instead of museums. > Country itself changed in last 20 years and if you haven't seen it again in…

> if Poland had homegrown 8-bit micros in the mid-80s Personal possession of Home computers, printers and copiers was illegal in Poland under Iron Curtain. After all it could be, and often was [1], used to undermine the regime! Anecdote from book "High-tech behind the Iron Curtain. Electronics, computers and control systems in the Polish People's Republic" ("High-tech za żelazną kurtyną. Elektronika, komputery i syst…

Poland had homegrown computers in the mid-80s. One of the major Polish computer magazines of the time, Bajtek, was published from 85 [1]

Casually looking in the magazines published in 1985, during the time of the iron curtain, reveals a lot of fun stuff like games and poke codes, but also more serious stuff. Nothing here suggest that home computers where illegal to have at home.

In fact [2] suggest that home computer use in Poland was wide spread.

[1] https://archive.org/details/bajtekmagazine [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/290109777_Playing_a...

Re: Cyberpunk 1958: The Early Days of the Polish IT Industry

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post #9
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thinking about it I realized that circa 2000, Poland's early desktop and home computers were probably still in use Around 2000 we were already using normal x86 machines in the offices and homes. There was a company named Optimus which had multiple branches that back then provided: computers (assembling and selling these), software - they've become an official distributor for e.g. Activision, Ubisoft, Id Software, D…

> Around 2000 we were already using normal x86 machines in the offices and homes. Yes, I assumed so but figured if Poland had homegrown 8-bit micros in the mid-80s similar to the Galaksija in Yugoslavia or the rare Pecom 64 (of which I have one in my collection!), that they might still be in original owners hands in 2000 instead of museums. > Country itself changed in last 20 years and if you haven't seen it again in…

> if Poland had homegrown 8-bit micros in the mid-80s

Poland had homegrown 8-bit micros in the mid-80s. Take a look at the computer magazine Bajtek [1] published from 1985, which focused on games and programming.

[1] https://archive.org/details/bajtekmagazine

Re: Cyberpunk 1958: The Early Days of the Polish IT Industry

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It's fascinating to have a glimpse into a parallel history of computing that happened in a small country without the resources to make it big, but with tireless efforts of brilliant mathematicians and engineers who made the advancements against the odds. If the history ran along a parallel path, I wonder what could have been different and what would have ended up exactly the same. For the PL nerds who are curious abo…

Poland may seem small to USians, but it is not a small country by any stretch of the imagination, either on a global or European scale. It is significantly larger than Austria and only slightly smaller than Germany. For context, Poland is about 8 times bigger than The Netherlands.

Re: Cyberpunk 1958: The Early Days of the Polish IT Industry

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post #11
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Around 2000 we were already using normal x86 machines in the offices and homes. Yes, I assumed so but figured if Poland had homegrown 8-bit micros in the mid-80s similar to the Galaksija in Yugoslavia or the rare Pecom 64 (of which I have one in my collection!), that they might still be in original owners hands in 2000 instead of museums. > Country itself changed in last 20 years and if you haven't seen it again in…

> if Poland had homegrown 8-bit micros in the mid-80s Personal possession of Home computers, printers and copiers was illegal in Poland under Iron Curtain. After all it could be, and often was [1], used to undermine the regime! Anecdote from book "High-tech behind the Iron Curtain. Electronics, computers and control systems in the Polish People's Republic" ("High-tech za żelazną kurtyną. Elektronika, komputery i syst…

Holy &#$^!!!

And I thought owning a 4K microcomputer as a suburban California teenager in 1981 was lonely and hard! No one in my family's extended network had a computer at home, nor could they even imagine what you'd do with such a thing at home (other than maybe play games which an Atari console could do better and much cheaper).

> nobody had time for obsoleted hardware.

Sadly, the same was true in the U.S. although it was great for me. In the late 90s I built out my complete collection of every model of 8-bit micro commonly sold in the U.S. in the 80s and early 90s. All the Ataris, all the Apples (except that Apple 1 kit of course), all the Commodores, all the Radio Shacks, all the Amigas, all the Sinclairs, plus dozens more few remember as well as quite a few from overseas. And I never paid more than $25 for any of them (and many were just given to me for free).

My teenage daughter recently looked up a bunch of them on eBay and apparently the collection is probably worth north of $100,000. Of course, I told her it's only worth that if I was interested in selling them - and I'm not. :-)

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