Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry • Hacker News Board

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by SkyBelow » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:11 PM UTC

LastTrain wrote: post #31

pm90 wrote: post #25

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To a certain extent this is a result of living in a media ecosystem where most of the population doesn’t actually see an unbiased reporting of facts but whatever is shown to them by certain right wing news networks. But I do agree at some point people need to take responsibility for their information diet. Fwiw media manipulation of American opinion isn’t new, its been a huge part of how America works since at least…

There is no such thing as unbiased reporting of facts. People not understanding that, and the fact that there is nothing inherently wrong with bias, is a big part of the problem.

What if there is something inherently wrong with bias, but there is also no possibility to solve it. I see people operating under the idea that if there is something inherently wrong, then there must exist some solution to that inherent wrongness. What if the underlying issue is that there are flaws in humans that cannot be fixed and any attempt to manage is going to still leave some victims of the issue unprotected?

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by roenxi » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:13 PM UTC

CalRobert wrote: post #27

_cenw wrote: post #7

My experience is that everyone who's not close to any of these impacts is apathetic or treating events like they're reality TV, and even light attempts at convincing that there's more going on and that we might be in a historic and bad situation is met with hostility as if you just told someone's small kid that Santa isn't real. At best they care about the financial parts of the news.

Some of us are scared shitless but have been called hysterical for years. Some of us emigrated.

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Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by palmotea » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:21 PM UTC

everdrive wrote: post #38

My impression is that the first Trump presidency left everyone at a loss. If you react with outrage, you're labeled in some negative way. This is really an extension of online trolling, where any emotional reaction proves that you "lost." Everyone has a chance to speak up now, but this actually diminishes the power of everyone's voice. You're one drop in a few billion or a few hundred million now. And to the extent t…

> I imagine there are people who would call this cynical and defeatist, but I think often people speaking up is purely counter-productive these days. So many attempts to speak up are just yet another partisan volley which can be written off on partisan grounds alone. Worse, given the way that social media works, the worst and most extreme voices from your faction will be the ones which get the most attention. They will paint your entire faction, and from a public opinion perspective, people will view your side as being far more extreme than it might actually be.

I think there's a way around this: pair attempts to speak up with base-broadening stuff that controversial within your faction and will alienate the "most extreme voices from your faction."

Basically: DEI is a goner (for instance), stop defending it and throw it in the fire, too. Advocate for literally building the wall. Support tariffs, but say you'll do them more competently and actually bring the jobs back. The focus and energy should be on protecting the basic constitutional order, everything else is a distraction. The people toward the extremes need to be the ones holding their noses to vote, not the guys on the fence.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by pclmulqdq » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:22 PM UTC

danaris wrote: post #136

pclmulqdq wrote: post #103

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Congress largely relinquished that power by creating bills that establish rule-making executive agencies rather than writing the rules themselves. That leaves congresspeople free to do things like trade stocks and raise money for their respective parties. They claim they would be too busy to read all the rules they would have to pass, but (1) that's the point and (2) they pass massive bills they don't read anyway. Th…

No, that's bullshit. Requiring Congress to get involved every time a regulatory agency needs to adapt to new circumstances or new technology would leave us at the mercy of unscrupulous corporations who can and will "move fast and break things." No; Congress relinquished their power when Congressional Republicans chose to become "the party of No" and just prevent anything from happening under Obama. That's when execut…

I think you need to read some history, because what I'm talking about happened in the 1930's-60's, when Obama wasn't even born yet. The regulatory agencies are ponderous and slow, too. They are just unelected so they can do unpopular things without it impacting their careers.

Executive orders are the latest extension of the trend of do-nothing congresses. They have been growing exponentially over time.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by pjmlp » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:23 PM UTC

_cenw wrote: post #7

My experience is that everyone who's not close to any of these impacts is apathetic or treating events like they're reality TV, and even light attempts at convincing that there's more going on and that we might be in a historic and bad situation is met with hostility as if you just told someone's small kid that Santa isn't real. At best they care about the financial parts of the news.

When events aren't taken seriously, eventually

"Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me"

There is still time to react, in a year from now it will be like something like McCarthy, only worse.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by myvoiceismypass » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:24 PM UTC

stogot wrote: post #135

tremon wrote: post #96

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I don't buy that. They have allowed their ignorance to be weaponised against the entire country, and if they refuse to acknowledge that, they are complicit in its destruction.

If you work two jobs to make ends meet, and get home at 11pm to fall asleep watching a low budget film on Netflix with ads, when are you going to have time to read non-partisan news and form an educated anger? Ignorance is a bigger driver than informed complicitness Huxley was right

Not enough time to read non-partisan news, but plenty of time to read facebook, watch tik tok, and soak / embrace up all the ridiculous "the trans immigrants are coming to eat your pets and fuck your kids" ads targeted at them.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by alabastervlog » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:31 PM UTC

aaron695 wrote: post #99

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> When you can never ever win, when you will always be called a Nazi, why would you bother?

Why... would you bother not supporting fascists and not agreeing with fascist ideas?

Is this a real example of the "I wish you weren't making me do this..." comic?

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by _cenw » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:31 PM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #152

CalRobert wrote: post #27

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Some of us are scared shitless but have been called hysterical for years. Some of us emigrated.

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You mean the guy with the federal dismantlement and looting agency that sends credentials to federal IT systems to Russia, openly talks about a third term where people "wouldn't have to vote anymore", crashes the world economy based on some dubious theory about the US dollar being overvalued being the root of crumbling US power and is currently testing the waters to deport US citizens into an overseas prison nobody ever leaves after ignoring a supreme court order for doing the same to a legal resident (the most legal residents, since they targeted those going through the proper naturalization route) is business as usual?

Are you for real?

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by ndsipa_pomu » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:32 PM UTC

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #54

derriz wrote: post #21

It seems that the idea that someone could be motivated simply by having integrity, valuing honesty and pride in simply "doing their job" correctly is so alien to the current US administration that they see political motives everywhere and in everyone's actions. The fact that people with such a cynical and amoral worldview wield so much power not only in US but globally and are willing to wield that power in capriciou…

A lot of people in the US, especially the Christian Trump supporters are nice but not kind. They will say hi, they will smile, they ask if you need anything, then they will happily defend the deportation of innocent people to secret prisons in foreign countries without any sort of due process. They will offer to bring you soup while your sick but will fight tooth and nail to make sure you don't have affordable health…

If they have that kind of attitude, then they are not "Christian" as Jesus very explicitly welcomed strangers and notably made a point of healing people without asking for payment.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by fooList » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:33 PM UTC

danaris wrote: post #136

pclmulqdq wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congress largely relinquished that power by creating bills that establish rule-making executive agencies rather than writing the rules themselves. That leaves congresspeople free to do things like trade stocks and raise money for their respective parties. They claim they would be too busy to read all the rules they would have to pass, but (1) that's the point and (2) they pass massive bills they don't read anyway. Th…

No, that's bullshit. Requiring Congress to get involved every time a regulatory agency needs to adapt to new circumstances or new technology would leave us at the mercy of unscrupulous corporations who can and will "move fast and break things." No; Congress relinquished their power when Congressional Republicans chose to become "the party of No" and just prevent anything from happening under Obama. That's when execut…

It sounded like you were going to disagree, but then I think you arrived at the same place more or less. Congress, on net, isn’t doing what it needs to be doing. Is that not a critical problem? If the executive who takes up that slack is Trump, suddenly people notice what a problem it is. But, it is not about Trump specifically, but rather an ongoing and systemic issue with our two party system, and it will predictably escalate due to partisans in Washington and their unwavering supporters.