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Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by LastTrain »

pm90 wrote: post #25
derriz wrote: post #21

It seems that the idea that someone could be motivated simply by having integrity, valuing honesty and pride in simply "doing their job" correctly is so alien to the current US administration that they see political motives everywhere and in everyone's actions. The fact that people with such a cynical and amoral worldview wield so much power not only in US but globally and are willing to wield that power in capriciou…

To a certain extent this is a result of living in a media ecosystem where most of the population doesn’t actually see an unbiased reporting of facts but whatever is shown to them by certain right wing news networks. But I do agree at some point people need to take responsibility for their information diet. Fwiw media manipulation of American opinion isn’t new, its been a huge part of how America works since at least…

There is no such thing as unbiased reporting of facts. People not understanding that, and the fact that there is nothing inherently wrong with bias, is a big part of the problem.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by deadbabe »

bambax wrote: post #26
ripe wrote: post #12

The administration needs to be sued in court. What else can be done? This is awful.

> What else can be done? Civil war. It will probably have to come to this, some day or other.

If you’re not willing to pick up arms and fight, chances are no one else is, so it will never happen. Most likely nothing can be done and people will just live under a totalitarian fascist regime for the duration of their lives. Keep talking about civil war, you’ll be imprisoned and silenced. You should delete your post.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by AlexandrB »

pm90 wrote: post #25
derriz wrote: post #21

It seems that the idea that someone could be motivated simply by having integrity, valuing honesty and pride in simply "doing their job" correctly is so alien to the current US administration that they see political motives everywhere and in everyone's actions. The fact that people with such a cynical and amoral worldview wield so much power not only in US but globally and are willing to wield that power in capriciou…

To a certain extent this is a result of living in a media ecosystem where most of the population doesn’t actually see an unbiased reporting of facts but whatever is shown to them by certain right wing news networks. But I do agree at some point people need to take responsibility for their information diet. Fwiw media manipulation of American opinion isn’t new, its been a huge part of how America works since at least…

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Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by QuadmasterXLII »

AlexandrB wrote: post #33
pm90 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To a certain extent this is a result of living in a media ecosystem where most of the population doesn’t actually see an unbiased reporting of facts but whatever is shown to them by certain right wing news networks. But I do agree at some point people need to take responsibility for their information diet. Fwiw media manipulation of American opinion isn’t new, its been a huge part of how America works since at least…

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The adults are talking, shh.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by hobs »

seethishat wrote: post #24

If I have not seen evidence for or against something, then I would not offer an opinion either. Sometimes, people speak confidently when they are ignorant of the context and the facts. That's not the right thing to do. It's better not to say anything when you don't actually know what you are talking about.

Did you watch the TV on Jan 6? Did you hear Trump repeatedly lie about the election? Are you saying your eyes and ears were lying to you? What are you saying here - that unless you walk around the barn all four sides might not be red? You are not a perfect witness, you are reporting on the most obvious fact of the matter.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by Applejinx »

derriz wrote: post #21

It seems that the idea that someone could be motivated simply by having integrity, valuing honesty and pride in simply "doing their job" correctly is so alien to the current US administration that they see political motives everywhere and in everyone's actions. The fact that people with such a cynical and amoral worldview wield so much power not only in US but globally and are willing to wield that power in capriciou…

Bear in mind that a lot of people took pains to not look at their candidate too closely, to the point where a (slim) voting majority wasn't showing up to rallies etc. during the campaign. One might see this as signs of their being fake, but it could also be suggestive that they didn't want to come out and see where their guy was really at. They voted for the IDEA of him and what they figured he represented, and were indulged in those beliefs as hard as possible.

So this 'approval' is sort of phantom approval. It's approval of a fantasy man who doesn't track too closely with the reality of what's actually happening.

The point where people pay heavily for their erroneous beliefs, for instance by losing their retirements and savings, is a point where people re-evaluate.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by richbell »

meltyness wrote: post #19
ripe wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for posting the link. Should have been part of the article. WTF? Black is white, and white is black.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250130231413/https://www.cisa.... Here's an article supposedly of Krebs provenance, which implicitly lumps Trump himself in as a "malicious actor". > can lead to uncertainty in the minds of voters; uncertainty that can be exploited by malicious actors Maybe not something I would want said or repeated by my administration either, disregarding the veracity. There's no date or byline either…

> in light of the DOGE findings regarding 150+ year olds collecting social security...

The claims made by DOGE were highly misleading (i.e., lack of death date does not mean a 150 year old is receiving money).

Moreover, it wasn't a novel discovery. It had already been identified and published in a 2023 audit: https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by everdrive »

My impression is that the first Trump presidency left everyone at a loss. If you react with outrage, you're labeled in some negative way. This is really an extension of online trolling, where any emotional reaction proves that you "lost." Everyone has a chance to speak up now, but this actually diminishes the power of everyone's voice. You're one drop in a few billion or a few hundred million now. And to the extent that you do speak up, it's fully partisan; the complaints of "the other side" are never heard nor granted legitimacy.

I imagine there are people who would call this cynical and defeatist, but I think often people speaking up is purely counter-productive these days. So many attempts to speak up are just yet another partisan volley which can be written off on partisan grounds alone. Worse, given the way that social media works, the worst and most extreme voices from your faction will be the ones which get the most attention. They will paint your entire faction, and from a public opinion perspective, people will view your side as being far more extreme than it might actually be.

I think people have a model in their head of the civil rights movement, and they think that protest alone will be successful just like it once was. It's not clear to me that protest, in and of itself, actually does much these days. Trump seems to enjoy seeing his ideological opponents outraged, and his supporters are either cowed towards him, if not far more vindictive than the man himself. Maybe it's just because I keep seeing the mindless noise from the internet, but real push-back here requires a centralized and most importantly, a focused movement. One that doesn't just incorporate the most extreme policy positions from its wings, and understands how to build a broad coalition. It's something people have forgotten how to do. It might be trite to blame social media, but no one seems to understand how to build a broad coalition in the way that Dr. King did during the civil rights movement. Movements these days tend to exclude, rather than include, and tend to be led by radicals and extremists, which defeat the cause they claim to fight for.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by snozolli »

meltyness wrote: post #19
ripe wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for posting the link. Should have been part of the article. WTF? Black is white, and white is black.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250130231413/https://www.cisa.... Here's an article supposedly of Krebs provenance, which implicitly lumps Trump himself in as a "malicious actor". > can lead to uncertainty in the minds of voters; uncertainty that can be exploited by malicious actors Maybe not something I would want said or repeated by my administration either, disregarding the veracity. There's no date or byline either…

implicitly lumps Trump himself in as a "malicious actor".

Trump is a malicious actor. He literally tried to overthrow democracy on January 6!

Maybe not something I would want said or repeated by my administration either, disregarding the veracity.

Congratulations on empathizing with an authoritarian.

in light of the DOGE findings regarding 150+ year olds collecting social security

Stop being so gullible.

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-doge-social-security-1...

Musk could also have simply looked up the SSA’s own website, which explains that since September 2015 the agency has automatically stopped benefit payments when anyone reaches the age of 115.

Re: Deafening Silence from the Cybersecurity Industry

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Post by jjtheblunt »

derriz wrote: post #21

It seems that the idea that someone could be motivated simply by having integrity, valuing honesty and pride in simply "doing their job" correctly is so alien to the current US administration that they see political motives everywhere and in everyone's actions. The fact that people with such a cynical and amoral worldview wield so much power not only in US but globally and are willing to wield that power in capriciou…

> But what is more horrifying for me is that apparently this administration remains representative of a large section of the US population - with seemingly unshakeable approval by between 40% and 50% of the US adult population according to polls.

It’s possible that percentage counts dissatisfaction with the previous administration more than approval for the current one. That is, it might just count people wanting any change.

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