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Post by mlindner »

bjourne wrote: post #744
mlindner wrote: post #642

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> Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. You and I both know that isn't true and repeating that doesn't help anyone but further implant in people's minds that the other side is completely irrational and cannot be reasoned with. No, the US government is deporting people for supporting terrorist organizations, something that's always been a di…

> No, the US government is deporting people for supporting terrorist organizations, Has it deported anyone voicing support for the Israeli Defense Forces or any of the other Jewish supremacist terrorist organizations currently terrorizing Palestinians? Regardless, your claim that Khalil would have offered material support or even voiced support for a terrorist organization is baseless. Not that it matters either beca…

Israeli Defense Forces is not a designated terrorist organization. If you can name any Jewish supremacy designated terrorist organizations then yeah anyone supporting those should be deported too.

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Post by mlindner »

wqaatwt wrote: post #815
mlindner wrote: post #642

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> Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. You and I both know that isn't true and repeating that doesn't help anyone but further implant in people's minds that the other side is completely irrational and cannot be reasoned with. No, the US government is deporting people for supporting terrorist organizations, something that's always been a di…

> Equating Russia and the US is an extreme take. Perhaps currently. How long do you think we should wait until we can start doing that? At the current pace probably a year or two? I mean.. Putin wasn’t that bad in the early 2000s, nazis or fascists weren’t that awful in the 20s or 30s either (in relative terms compared to everyone else at the time) either. Waiting until its too late do change anything is maybe not th…

> Perhaps currently. How long do you think we should wait until we can start doing that? At the current pace probably a year or two?

I think you should stop letting the propaganda get to you and take a step back and look at things from a rational perspective. I'd bet over 50% of the things that you think happened in this administration did not in fact happen.

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Post by KingMob »

edanm wrote: post #828
KingMob wrote: post #675

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FYI, I'm Jewish, with Israeli friends, and kibbutznik family on my great-grandaunt's side. Israelis like you tell themselves this, but you don't speak for the diaspora. I personally feel that Israel makes the rest of us less safe, not more.

I highly recommend watching Haviv Rettig Gur's talk about the differences between the Jews of the diaspora (he's mostly talking about the US), and Israeli Jews. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKoUC0m1U9E ) To sum up a long and fascinating lecture, he makes the case that the Jews of the US diaspora are the few Jews who managed to find a country that actually took them in and treated them as equals, which is almost…

For starters, "few" is a misnomer. The US Jewish population is just shy of Israel's Jewish population (6.3m to 7.2m). Don't insinuate that American Jews are too few in number to get a voice.

If you wish to say that American Jews "had it easy", then I can just as easily say the opposite: Israeli Jews are too "traumatized" to see how they're perpetuating injustice in the name of security.

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Post by KingMob »

gryzzly wrote: post #703
KingMob wrote: post #675

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FYI, I'm Jewish, with Israeli friends, and kibbutznik family on my great-grandaunt's side. Israelis like you tell themselves this, but you don't speak for the diaspora. I personally feel that Israel makes the rest of us less safe, not more.

but majority does not. you dont represent the majority.

Good thing I used that word "personally" then, which clearly indicates to those who can read that I'm only speaking for myself.

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Post by KingMob »

YZF wrote: post #789
KingMob wrote: post #664

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And opposite all that are Tiktok videos by Israeli soldiers, for which questions of journalistic bias are irrelevant.

Bad things happen in wars. And yes there are questionable videos of Israeli soldiers on TikTok. I'm not sure how this supports your view point. It's is entirely possible for Israel to be the good guy, for the BBC to have a strong anti-Israeli bias, and for there to be questionable actions by certain Israeli soldiers (including on TikTok). There are also questionable actions by Ukrainian soldiers and there have been q…

Don't misunderstand. My views are not driven by random Tiktok videos. I mentioned them to point out that bias questions cannot be relevant in their case.

You might think those videos are aberrant, but I see it as just part of the overall pattern.

"War" is a misnomer when Israel has 10x the money, the resources, the military, controls Palestinian movement/water/food, erects walls completely surrounding Gaza, and bombed 100% of the hospitals and universities in Gaza.

"War" creates the illusion of roughly-equal enemy forces.

You don't have "war". You have a displaced, dehumanized people living in modern apartheid conditions, who periodically strike out against their conditions and history, and then get vengeance visited upon them 100-fold.

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"You can't get a picture of reality through anecdotes ... I've spoken to soldiers who fought in Gaza"

So... you heard some anecdotes.

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Post by msohailshah »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

There is no difference between US and Russia in terms of free speech. Russia doesn't have promote a narrative of free speech while banning it. US suppresses it, punishes it and effectively deports anyone who criticizes Israel.

Holy cows are holy everywhere, its just that different cows are holy everywhere.

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Post by flexagoon »

uniqueuid wrote: post #50
aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

Not really, I'm Russian currently located in Russia and I can openly say that I hate our government. Though it would obviously be much worse if I actually had a big audience, in which case yeah there may be repercussions

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by msohailshah »

gryzzly wrote: post #705
tdeck wrote: post #196

Not a surprise. I remember last year seeing that posts to https://www.birdsofgaza.com/ were being blocked, and it's hard to think of a more innocuous way of speaking out.

do you feel like it is “Israel’s war on Gaza”? Does that represent reality fully? Is that what children should be taught, that there is a demonic people that kills children? You don’t see any problem with omitting the massacre of israeli civilians, the captured hostages and many thousands of rocket launches towards densely populated civilian communities? is that how we achieve peace in your view?

Do you think ignoring Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine is ignoring reality? Do you think that immigrants taken in during WWII should have ethnically cleansed the natives? Do you think that settlers in Westbank terrorising Palestinians every day is any different from the settlers in 1940s? Do you think that a militarized society like Israel with compulsory military service can be treated as civilians or like the US defined enemy combatants? Do you think that rocket launches are just testing the effectiveness of missile shields? Do you think 20k Pound bombs are less lethal than tiny rockets? Do you think that holding 10k palestinians in prisons , most without charges and degrading their humanity at every checkpost was happening since 20 years or did it start just now?

Do you think that playing victim works every time?

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Post by za3faran »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #853
za3faran wrote: post #852

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What do you call this then? [1] [1] https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/smotrich-says-not-even-gr...

Smotrich is an asshole bully but that doesn’t make what he says true. I actually agree that slow rolling aid is a huge problem with the Israeli regime but they didn’t completely cut off aid

Aid is not completely cut off because of the zionists. Check the news. War crime after war crime while the whole world watches.

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Post by wqaatwt »

mlindner wrote: post #992
wqaatwt wrote: post #815

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Equating Russia and the US is an extreme take. Perhaps currently. How long do you think we should wait until we can start doing that? At the current pace probably a year or two? I mean.. Putin wasn’t that bad in the early 2000s, nazis or fascists weren’t that awful in the 20s or 30s either (in relative terms compared to everyone else at the time) either. Waiting until its too late do change anything is maybe not th…

> Perhaps currently. How long do you think we should wait until we can start doing that? At the current pace probably a year or two? I think you should stop letting the propaganda get to you and take a step back and look at things from a rational perspective. I'd bet over 50% of the things that you think happened in this administration did not in fact happen.

> I'd bet over 50% of the things that you think happened

How and why would that change anything in any way? From a rational perspective 5% of those things are way too much already. Much less even...

In a rational and sane world Trump would have been impeached and possibly imprisoned just over his government funded golf trips that he is using to funnel millions of tax payer money to his own businesses. Just running a car dealership on the white house lawn should have resulted in impeachment. Yet these are the tiniest most insignificant things compared to everything else he is doing.

In our unfortunate reality paying him several hundred millions to just do nothing but play golf for 4 years would seem like an exceptionally good deal..

I mean your argument is basically “well he’s extremely horrible but at least he doesn’t eat babies, so shut up..”

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