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Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Post by Hackbraten »

TheDong wrote: post #102
Animats wrote: post #85

That seriously devalues MarkMonitor's services. MarkMonitor claims to be a "an ICANN-accredited registrar and recognized industry leader since 1999". The whole point of paying for MarkMonitor is that they're an expensive service for valuable domains and are not allowed to screw up. GoDaddy should not be involved here at all.

MarkMonitor isn't at fault here. If you register a ".ps" domain, it doesn't matter if you use MarkMonitor or Namecheap, they can't help you when the ongoing genocide results in the removal of Palestine as a country and ".ps" no longer is a valid country code top level domain. Similarly, if you register a .us domain instead of a ".com", ".net", or ".org", MarkMonitor can't help you when GoDaddy inevitably screws up. H…

There are countries whose ccTLD registrars are impeccably well-run and have been for decades, such as DENIC, the entity that oversees the .de ccTLD.

If you're based in Germany, I don't see a reason why you would want to avoid .de domains.

Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Post by hanikesn »

bo1024 wrote: post #98
kemals wrote: post #54

ThousandEyes analysis of the outage: https://www.thousandeyes.com/blog/zoom-outage-analysis-april...

Thanks, this is really helpful. I had not even realized that every DNS query for .us (for example) goes through a single root registry before going to the actual nameservers.

It's usually cached

Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Post by jedberg »

udev4096 wrote: post #128

What do relatively large corporations use for their authoritative nameserver? Do they use PowerDNS, knot, bind, or just use the registrar's nameservers?

Google runs their own, Facebook runs their own, Amazon used AWS, Microsoft uses Azure. Netflix uses AWS.

Most likely all are running some version of Bind, or something custom.

Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Post by NewJazz »

Hackbraten wrote: post #141
TheDong wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MarkMonitor isn't at fault here. If you register a ".ps" domain, it doesn't matter if you use MarkMonitor or Namecheap, they can't help you when the ongoing genocide results in the removal of Palestine as a country and ".ps" no longer is a valid country code top level domain. Similarly, if you register a .us domain instead of a ".com", ".net", or ".org", MarkMonitor can't help you when GoDaddy inevitably screws up. H…

There are countries whose ccTLD registrars are impeccably well-run and have been for decades, such as DENIC, the entity that oversees the .de ccTLD. If you're based in Germany, I don't see a reason why you would want to avoid .de domains.

There are definitely exceptions, and having a connection to the country in question helps, but unfortunately countries seem to enshittify in different but similar ways as old companies.

Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Post by slackr »

grasps wrote: post #135
TheDong wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MarkMonitor isn't at fault here. If you register a ".ps" domain, it doesn't matter if you use MarkMonitor or Namecheap, they can't help you when the ongoing genocide results in the removal of Palestine as a country and ".ps" no longer is a valid country code top level domain. Similarly, if you register a .us domain instead of a ".com", ".net", or ".org", MarkMonitor can't help you when GoDaddy inevitably screws up. H…

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ICJ judges in The Hague, including Israel’s appointed judge, deemed it necessary to remind Israel to respect the Palestinians’ right to not be genocided away. https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/South_Africa_v._Israel_(Ord...

Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Post by chrismorgan »

TheDong wrote: post #102
Animats wrote: post #85

That seriously devalues MarkMonitor's services. MarkMonitor claims to be a "an ICANN-accredited registrar and recognized industry leader since 1999". The whole point of paying for MarkMonitor is that they're an expensive service for valuable domains and are not allowed to screw up. GoDaddy should not be involved here at all.

MarkMonitor isn't at fault here. If you register a ".ps" domain, it doesn't matter if you use MarkMonitor or Namecheap, they can't help you when the ongoing genocide results in the removal of Palestine as a country and ".ps" no longer is a valid country code top level domain. Similarly, if you register a .us domain instead of a ".com", ".net", or ".org", MarkMonitor can't help you when GoDaddy inevitably screws up. H…

> Financially, a proper gTLD also can't raise prices unilaterally and weirdly, while if you pick a ccTLD, the country has free reign to arbitrarily change prices, delete your domain, take over your domain, etc etc.

Look into what’s happened with pricing on domains like .org and .info. They’re increasingly absurd, with the restrictions on price increases that once were there largely being removed, at the pushing of the sharks that bought the registrar. Why are these prices increasing well above inflation rate, when if anything the costs should go down over time? Why is .info now almost twice as expensive as .com?

Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Post by NewJazz »

chrismorgan wrote: post #136
TheDong wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MarkMonitor isn't at fault here. If you register a ".ps" domain, it doesn't matter if you use MarkMonitor or Namecheap, they can't help you when the ongoing genocide results in the removal of Palestine as a country and ".ps" no longer is a valid country code top level domain. Similarly, if you register a .us domain instead of a ".com", ".net", or ".org", MarkMonitor can't help you when GoDaddy inevitably screws up. H…

>>> This block was the result of a communication error between Zoom’s domain registrar, Markmonitor, and GoDaddy Registry, which resulted in GoDaddy Registry mistakenly shutting down zoom.us domain. That sounds like MarkMonitor is at least partly at fault here.

I mean, one person is saying what to do and the other person is doing it. And the person doing things is taking down zoom.us... Also knowing who godaddy is and what they do...

Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Post by ascorbic »

TheDong wrote: post #106
apitman wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever happens is going to set some really important precedent for sure.

I think '.su' is already that precedent, since it had many active domains, recently had active registration, and ICANN has announced plans to phase it out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.su See also '.yu' and friends, which have already been deleted.

The fact that the country ceased to exist a year after .su was created and yet the TLD still exists 34 years later is probably precedent for the opposite.

Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Post by nottorp »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #131
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But why put your brand at the mercy of a government like that? Literally every single TLD is administered by a government. .com itself is under jurisdiction of USA and operated by Verisign

> Literally every single TLD is administered by a government. False. I’m not sure what you’re trying to assert, but governments don’t necessarily need to control/admin gTLDs, and as far as ccTLDs go, they’re under jurisdiction of the corresponding nation, usually, but they’re going to be “administered” by a tech company that holds a contract. Anyway, “.com” does indeed answer to U.S. jurisdiction, despite being techn…

> “.com” does indeed answer to U.S. jurisdiction

... which is a problem lately ... and may have been even in the past for some niches ...

Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Post by mentalgear »

Maxious wrote: post #86
Animats wrote: post #85

That seriously devalues MarkMonitor's services. MarkMonitor claims to be a "an ICANN-accredited registrar and recognized industry leader since 1999". The whole point of paying for MarkMonitor is that they're an expensive service for valuable domains and are not allowed to screw up. GoDaddy should not be involved here at all.

GoDaddy runs the root dns for .us

GoDaddy is the rot of us domains, besides being rotten culturally as well
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