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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by mike50 »

ty6853 wrote: post #482
DeathArrow wrote: post #335

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So you genuinely think that if you go to the US you have a high risk of being imprisoned without due process even if you you don't break any US law?

Lol there is no due process at the border for a simple imprisonment, it is 'administrative' and I have been held up to a day or so without any sort of hearing. I pulled my FBI record from the last time they tossed me in immigration holding cell, there is no record of it. They don't allow you to have a phone, they do not let you have an attorney, and they do not document they've imprisoned you. They lock you away and…

The FBI does not perform immigration enforcement at entry points.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by mbs159 »

senordevnyc wrote: post #383
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #173

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When they'll deport innocent US citizens to El Salvador and then argue it's impossible to get them back I don't have any hope at all as a visitor. There's no way in hell I'm stepping foot in the United States right now.

To be fair, I don’t think we have any evidence of this happening to a citizen yet. I’m guessing we will soon though :(

It has happened to permanent residents who have green cards, though. It's absolutely not the same as being a citizen, but it should be noted that most green card holders are eligible to become US citizens.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by mcflubbins »

navane wrote: post #584
mcflubbins wrote: post #205

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This is nuts. > Brösche had her German passport, confirmation of her visa waiver to enter the country, and a copy of her return ticket back to Berlin Sounds like all her paper work was good to go... > she was still pulled aside for a secondary inspection by a US Customs and Border Protection agent. Ok, that sucks but not too crazy... > Brösche said she then spent days detained in a cell at the San Diego border before…

Accused of planning to violate your visa in the future, how do you even defend yourself against that accusation? "She's thinking about doing something bad in the future"

Feels like the thought police...

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by ty6853 »

mike50 wrote: post #601
ty6853 wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol there is no due process at the border for a simple imprisonment, it is 'administrative' and I have been held up to a day or so without any sort of hearing. I pulled my FBI record from the last time they tossed me in immigration holding cell, there is no record of it. They don't allow you to have a phone, they do not let you have an attorney, and they do not document they've imprisoned you. They lock you away and…

The FBI does not perform immigration enforcement at entry points.

No shit. They're the one that do arrest histories. If you're arrested by podunk local sheriff or ATF it will show up on FBI report even though it's not an FBI arrest.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by account42 »

ty6853 wrote: post #482
DeathArrow wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you genuinely think that if you go to the US you have a high risk of being imprisoned without due process even if you you don't break any US law?

Lol there is no due process at the border for a simple imprisonment, it is 'administrative' and I have been held up to a day or so without any sort of hearing. I pulled my FBI record from the last time they tossed me in immigration holding cell, there is no record of it. They don't allow you to have a phone, they do not let you have an attorney, and they do not document they've imprisoned you. They lock you away and…

> and if you complain outside of some place like HN the vast majority of people will angrily ask what you did wrong and that there 'must be more to the story'

That's because in most publicized cases it turns out there is something more to it.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by account42 »

badgersnake wrote: post #58
potato3732842 wrote: post #34

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>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. Exactly. Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very…

There’s no reason to lock tourists up. If you don’t want them put them on the first flight back. Locking people up is expensive and if they’re willing to leave anyway, totally pointless. You would think that a country with a whole department devoted to government efficiency could work that out.

There's no reason to lock criminals up. If you don't want them doing crimes send them home. Locking people up is expensive and if they are willing to stop being bad, totally pointless.

Or maybe in both cases the point is deterrence.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by account42 »

potato3732842 wrote: post #34
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #29

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I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. I'd be interested in alternate viewpoints since I may be in a bleeding-heart, empathetic, progressive, consequence-considering news bubble. My reasoning is t…

>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. Exactly. Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very…

Then maybe Europeans should consume more alternative media instead of just state propaganda.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by account42 »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #144
danmaz74 wrote: post #69

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I'm Italian, my wife is Russian and my sister lives with her family in California. I've always been pretty vocal online about my dislike for Putin, and since the war in Ukraine started, I became very worried about visiting Russia, just in case they needed some random Italian guy to extort concessions from the Italian government. So, I stopped going (we were planning a family trip right in the Summer of 2022). For thi…

I literally do not have any social media accounts (does HN count?), and I'm concerned that would immediately mark me as a suspicious individual (although I can eloquently justify this to the nth degree if required). Having said that, weigh up the benefits and drawbacks of scrubbing your social media accounts to minimise that particular concern? I don't have any, so I don't know what I'd be losing, but I can say that…

I have always only listed GitHub as my "social media" for ESTA since I don't use any of the other options. It has never been a problem, including with the current administration.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by account42 »

mcv wrote: post #536
DeathArrow wrote: post #529

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Maybe for many people the democrats were worse and they are happy things are back to what they consider normal.

Not many, it seems. Also, not exactly normal.

More normal than what was going on under Biden.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by account42 »

Juliate wrote: post #547
casey2 wrote: post #504

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Sounds like due process was exactly what she got. Are you suggesting everybody gets a trial before they are deported? Or that the US has to allow you to enter if you do so legally, determined by trial? Either will result in much, much longer deportation times.

> Are you suggesting everybody gets a trial before they are deported? Well, yes, because that's precisely what due process is? If "everybody" doesn't get a trial before a judge, if _you_ happened to be taken by ICE[1], how would you manage not being deported? By proving you're a legal citizen? But how do you do so if there's no due process? [1] (for whatever reason; today it's on the suspicion to be an "illegal", bas…

Getting a trial for a visa violation is not what happens outside the US either.
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