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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by PaulRobinson »

DeathArrow wrote: post #535
PaulRobinson wrote: post #54

If non-US citizens can be deported to El Salvador without due process for having a tattoo that an ICE officer deems to be "gang-related", you're immediately going to alienate most of the World's population from wanting to visit for any purpose. The lack of due process and the threat of extradition on a whim is one that feels less likely to happen to me as a caucasian with US citizens as family, but the impact of it w…

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Before being so casually flippant, perhaps do some basic research on the facility people are being sent to, and the conditions they're being kept in.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by FrinkleFrankle »

plumarr wrote: post #289
hartator wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody will throw you in jail in indefinite detention in another country with no human rights because of your skin colour, beard, tattoos or anything of the like. Most EU country police don’t need probable cause to detain you. It does happen to be detained for no reason outside of profiling. For example, in France, you can be sent to jail for up to 24h with no probable cause.

> For example, in France, you can be sent to jail for up to 24h with no probable cause. There must be a probable cause : https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F14837

Also, a 24 hour detainment in reasonable conditions is very different from an indefinite detention with a possibility of torture (solitary confinement) or being sent off to an El Savadorian prison with no hope of being returned.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by PaulRobinson »

DeathArrow wrote: post #447
PaulRobinson wrote: post #54

If non-US citizens can be deported to El Salvador without due process for having a tattoo that an ICE officer deems to be "gang-related", you're immediately going to alienate most of the World's population from wanting to visit for any purpose. The lack of due process and the threat of extradition on a whim is one that feels less likely to happen to me as a caucasian with US citizens as family, but the impact of it w…

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German tourists are being detained by ICE. British tourists have been detained by ICE. Permanent residents of the US have been detained by ICE. Graduate students, scientists, tourists, you name it... detained for prolonged periods of time by ICE. Not all of them had tattoos, that's just an example, and that's the point - ICE want to use fear and uncertainty, because that's their M.O.

Detainment is bad enough. It's only a matter of time before extradition to El Salvador is extended, but even if that didn't happen, what is happening right now is enough to put people off.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by jajko »

DeathArrow wrote: post #516
jajko wrote: post #171

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A defining pillar of a society is either a very strong common goal or enemy. US supplanted both, so yeah actually thank you for that. My 2 cents - wanted to take family on a trip to western US, parks and maybe SF, not in fucking hell now or in next 2 decades. I know its just some tiny drop in the bucket, but that ~10k spent locally in those few weeks will be spent elsewhere and if enough people will do the same (whic…

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Looking at your comment history, it checks out.

> What's wrong with El Salvador? Isn't it a diverse country with wonderful people?

You are also incorrect in your last 2 sentences but no point breaking it down, that much I've learned in past few years with various versions of maga supporters (yes, we have them in Europe too, they usually vote ultra right pro russian and/or obviously corrupt populists).

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by Juliate »

drstewart wrote: post #494
Juliate wrote: post #404

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This is not really... what you expect it is, I think. There are more people killed in mass shootings in the USA every year than there have been people killed in attacks during Christmas in Europe, like, ever.

People buy lottery tickets knowing very well they are almost certainly not going to win. But you never know. You might get rich. You buy the ticket is the prize is tempting enough. Likewise, you avoid a low probability risk when the outcome is bad enough.

Yes. And there's comparatively less incentive to go into the USA... where you have higher chances to get assaulted, even by CPB/ICE/police, or shot, by anyone, than anywhere in the EU.

You may also not take the lottery ticket, and buy someone a drink.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by lolc »

DeathArrow wrote: post #519
s_dev wrote: post #174

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Ireland or at least Dublin Airport is unique in that it has 'US Preclearance' so when you land you simply pick up your bags at the carousel and leave the airport as you've passed US immigration based in Dublin Airport. This means if you're going to be denied entry it will probably be in Dublin which will make it a preferred airport of origin within the EU -- this is massively more convenient than getting stuck in JFK…

How can US border police work in a foreign country where they don't have a jurisdiction?

What jurisdiction extends where depends entirely on the agreements some diplomats must have worked out. When I travel between France and England for example the paper checks are at the point of departure and there are no more checks on arrival.

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Post by Juliate »

casey2 wrote: post #504
ziddoap wrote: post #243

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> there's never backstory given There's no backstory that justifies indefinite detention without due process.

Sounds like due process was exactly what she got. Are you suggesting everybody gets a trial before they are deported? Or that the US has to allow you to enter if you do so legally, determined by trial? Either will result in much, much longer deportation times.

> Are you suggesting everybody gets a trial before they are deported?

Well, yes, because that's precisely what due process is?

If "everybody" doesn't get a trial before a judge, if _you_ happened to be taken by ICE[1], how would you manage not being deported?

By proving you're a legal citizen? But how do you do so if there's no due process?

[1] (for whatever reason; today it's on the suspicion to be an "illegal", based on whatever the guys smell; but tomorrow?)

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by piva00 »

DeathArrow wrote: post #534
piva00 wrote: post #283

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Please don't come here, it's definitely dangerous and you shouldn't ever step foot here again to avoid any danger to your life, it's a hellhole that no one like you should ever attempt to visit :) It's not rare, it will happen to you. Do not come.

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Very high needs some other benchmark. It's very high compared to Sweden 10 years ago, compared to Louisiana, or the whole USA it's pretty damn low.

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Post by Teever »

DeathArrow wrote: post #510
rekoil wrote: post #357

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Same here. There's one or two things I can't bear to cancel, but I've moved all my email from Google Workspaces to Proton, cancelled Netflix, cancelled plans to go to DEF CON, downgraded storage for Apple iCloud to just above what I need instead of way above, cancelled plans to get a new MacBook Pro this year, stopped buying groceries from companies with American owners, etc.

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You're going to have to come to terms with the fact that a growing number of non-Americans don't care about the left/right paradigm in America anymore.

They just view America itself as the problem and are deciding to detach from it as a whole.

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Post by Juliate »

DeathArrow wrote: post #447
PaulRobinson wrote: post #54

If non-US citizens can be deported to El Salvador without due process for having a tattoo that an ICE officer deems to be "gang-related", you're immediately going to alienate most of the World's population from wanting to visit for any purpose. The lack of due process and the threat of extradition on a whim is one that feels less likely to happen to me as a caucasian with US citizens as family, but the impact of it w…

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You (don't) think a lot of things. It's probably. So you think.

What about some data, then?

> I don't even think most world population has a tattoo.

Tattoo is a booming business (around 9% growth in 2024). There are stats.

Quoting https://www.ibisworld.com/united-states/industry/tattoo-arti...

"A Pew Research Study conducted in 2023 shows that 32.0% of Americans have tattoos. 41.0% of individuals under 30 have at least one tattoo, as do 46.0% of individuals aged between 30 and 49."

That's not "most" in the sense, 50%+. It's still pretty significant.

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