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CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by wins32767 »

DrillShopper wrote: post #747
galangalalgol wrote: post #725

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Having civil discussions with people who disagree isn't about politeness or acquiescence. Having political discussions per the same rules we use for technical debates, like steel manning, allows information to actually flow both ways. I'm up to four people now that I changed parties between 2020 and 2024. That doesn't seem like a lot, but if everyone was doing it it would make a difference. It took time. I had to non…

> Having civil discussions with people who disagree isn't about politeness or acquiescence. Having political discussions per the same rules we use for technical debates, like steel manning, allows information to actually flow both ways. What additional information do they need to get out there other than they want me and people like me dead? What additional information do I need to get out there other than I don't wa…

The logical end state of this belief is a civil war. I assume that in lieu of trying to change minds you're buying guns and ammo and trying to organize like minded people into a militia to protect your safety? Cause if not, I don't really think you really believe that a significant fraction of the country wants people like you dead.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by lentil_soup »

drstewart wrote: post #617
Sonnigeszeug wrote: post #511

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Its not a money problem, its a understanding problem. Shouldn't the most powerful country has something like this? Being even in the forefront of it? The USA was doing cyberprotection against Russia and cyberattacks across the world. Now suddenly it doesn't need it anymore? Like just did Russia go away (or has russia won and sits now in the white house)?

You're right. I don't understand why the EU wasn't funding it and isn't funding it now. I thought they're united against Russia?

because they already do? https://euvd.enisa.europa.eu/

please, stop spreading your weird anti-europe views

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by brightball »

enraged_camel wrote: post #759
brightball wrote: post #641

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No it’s not. It’s a position that comes from experience of knowing that it’s a complete waste of time because nobody’s mind is being changed. Further, there are entire segments of political groups who just want to assume your beliefs like a political straw man so they can denigrate you. It’s an unhealthy waste of time and that doesn’t truly hit you until you invest the time in talking to an otherwise rational person,…

>> No it’s not. It’s a position that comes from experience of knowing that it’s a complete waste of time because nobody’s mind is being changed. I think the issue is that when people debate someone, they want to "win" by having the other side accept defeat. You are right, that rarely happens, especially in politics. However, as someone who has participated in countless formal debates, I'll share a secret: your goal i…

That is certainly a valid point, especially in formal debates.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by jfengel »

MiguelX413 wrote: post #623
jfengel wrote: post #20

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Force of habit. We don't have a framework for talking under these circumstances, so we apply our outdated ones. As you say, that's exactly what got us here. But the alternatives are very unclear, and seem deeply unpleasant.

People should suck it up and not do it again.

The question is what they should do instead.

They could attack the non-steelmanned version, but that just opens them up to having their own comments attacked. You quickly get derailed. (It's sometimes called "sealioning".)

They could propose alternatives, but that too is subject to sealioning. Real alternatives are always subject to tradeoffs, and the answer to "how about you do X instead of attacking me?" is always "no".

They could refrain from discussing it, but that just allows the offenses to continue.

So what often happens is that people persist in acting as if this were a sincere discussion, and hope that a majority will recognize the quality of your argument. It's a lousy plan but I don't have much else to suggest.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by giraffe_lady »

petesergeant wrote: post #208
giraffe_lady wrote: post #18

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> I'm trying to steelman Why? This administration is not acting in good faith, you don't have to act as if they are. People and institutions doing that is part of how we got here in the first place.

>> I'm trying to steelman > Why? It's a sensible practice and good practice

I just don't see how it is universally so, frankly. As a general guideline sure but some discernment is necessary nothing is gained from steelmanning apartheid or the third reich or torture prisons or or you see my point I hope.

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by EgregiousCube »

lynndotpy wrote: post #755
jeff_carr wrote: post #721

The contract with MITRE has been extended. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2025/04/16/cve-... My guess indefinitely. DOGE might be a bunch of idiots, but in the entire DOD, there are non-idiots.

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A bit disingenuous; he also had a career as a soldier.

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Post by Onawa »

the-chitmonger wrote: post #711
sofixa wrote: post #202

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> Hopefully these 4 years energize people to vote You are assuming there will be next elections that are free, fair, and matter. Trump says a lot of things that ultimately doesn't matter, but he has also said, and is the type of brute to believe it, that he intends to stay in power. He and his cronies have successfully dismantled the checks and balances that should have prevented him from doing they, legally. IMO the…

Let's pray that his health suffers, in that case. I am so unbelievably tired of reading the news and seeing another pillar of civilization dismantled.

I would rather that he stays alive for the rest of his term. I am more scared of the damage that could be done by Vance. Trump is inept and easy to manipulate, but is fairly predictable in his actions. Vance and his technocrat bros could cause a lot more damage on the other hand. I'll take the devil we "know".

Re: CVE program faces swift end after DHS fails to renew contract [updated]

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Post by tomrod »

metalliqaz wrote: post #731
jeff_carr wrote: post #721

The contract with MITRE has been extended. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2025/04/16/cve-... My guess indefinitely. DOGE might be a bunch of idiots, but in the entire DOD, there are non-idiots.

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