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Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Has that been confirmed somewhere? Surely if Abrego Garcia had had a real hearing the court would have heard that he had an order preventing his deportation to El Salvador.

That's what happened to Mahmoud Khalil [0]. Khalil has not been charged as a criminal. He was moved from New York to a detention center in Louisiana. Secretary of State Marco Rubio released a memo saying Khalil is a risk and could not stay in the US. A Louisiana immigration judge ruled that she could not overrule Rubio's decision. There is no reason to think the current Administration will not continue to use this ta…

This is factually correct but potentially misleading. It does not require a criminal act nor a criminal trial to deport someone.

If you take a public stance - on social media, on recorded speeches in public, whatever - that supports an FTO (Foreign Terrorist Organization), you can be deported. This includes Hamas (but it has to be Hamas, not Palestine. "Free Palestine" - fine. Posting martyrdom photos of terrorists, calling for the killing of Jews or the destruction of Israel, giving out Hamas propaganda, etc - not fine.)

Prior to citizenship, you can't be imprisoned for your speech but you can be denied citizenship or a visa for it. That may mean - as is often the case - you may be facing a prison sentence in your home country. If you say, rape a 14 year old, flee to the US and declare asylum, and then get deported because you were still actively involved with an FTO or engaged in other crimes, then you get to go back home and to the prison sentence you were originally going to face before fleeing.

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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I was mainly devils'-advocating, up until this guy. With this guy, I can find no fault. If you watch his 60 Minutes interview, it seems heartfelt and authentic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA Plus, if he was born Palestinian and is now a Buddhist, that means that he willingly chose to endure the risk of getting killed as an apostate. Something must be done.

What are you talking about?

He's still a Palestine. Palestinians can be Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics, etc..

I believe your comment on "getting killed as an apostate" is highly uneducated. I'm a Palestinian, my family is Muslim, one of my uncles is agnostic. He's alive, he's still part of the family. The case is the same with many families, whether Christian's becoming Muslim, or Muslims becoming agnostic.

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Wow! that 1st amendment doesn't really work anymore. When I lived in the US on a green card (for 20 years) I was leary about political activity, there were never any obvious rules against it, and I was in this "taxation without representation" state so had to find outlets other than voting in order to have a say about how my taxes were spent (I'm from NZ where people with green card equivalents are very much allowed…

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It's not 2002 anymore - you can't just call anyone vaguely brown a terrorist. Yeah, you actually have to, you know, _try_ now. Sorry to break the news.

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Oh? Your “Triune God” is cool with innocent people being sent to inhumane prisons, with the rich plundering the poor, with a leader whose entire life has been built on deceit and lies? We must have read a different gospel.

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Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Understand. I was providing rationale on why he can be eligible for deportation under US immigration laws for green card holders. But this is the kind of ilk that is being defended here. It was known 3 months ago that he was subject to deportation. https://x.com/neveragainlive1/status/1885157904681926934?s=4...

I'm confused, because the person depicted by that tweet does not AT ALL resemble the person being interviewed here a year ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA Please at least watch this and see if you see his sincerity. Maybe you will end up as confused as me? We need to use a scalpel, and not a sword, when it comes to distinguishing actual bad-actors, from mere associations to ethnicities or origins. For…

Psychopaths can be whomever they want you to believe.

Lots of people hide behind “peace” just like the poor young boy who did supposedly good in school that murdered a classmate.

This guy is not a Buddhist. He is a terrorist loving activist. Deport him.

Do you really think this guy is a saint? https://x.com/shaidavidai/status/1911978781402669113?s=46

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Mahdawi allegedly supports Hamas. Hamas is officially designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the State Departmemt. This designation means that providing material support to Hamas is a federal crime under US law. Green card holders or anyone in the US can face serious legal and immigration consequences for any form of support or affiliation with Hamas.

How does he support Hamas? Does nonviolently supporting the Palestinian people, wanting to learn more about Israelis and find common ground, openly advocate for non-violent solutions as your religion (for him Buddhism) is a nonviolent one (in his words at least).

What part of that is Hamas-like to you?

Meanwhile an American citizen can actually sign up for and fight in a foreign army, commit war crimes there, and come back here happy as a clam. Insane world we live in.

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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As hackers, what can we do to work against the genocide, unconstitutional arrests, Zionist expansionism, Israeli control of western politics, etc?

Figure out how to dismantle the secret Jewish cabal controlling the world behind the scenes. Read more about them here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_... Seriously though, the Jewish control of the world (now Israeli/Zionist so you don't sound like an antisemite) is one of the most tired antiemetic tropes. Also: Zionist expansionism is a ridiculous term. You do understand that Israel is…

Why does believing that Israel's system of only allowing a minority ethnicity in the land it controls to have political power and rights but claiming to be a democracy is wrong, and why do you assume people who believe this also believe in whatever weird conspiracy you're talking about.

Maybe the blood of one's ancestors doesn't make it okay for someone thousands of miles away who never lived in a place be eligible to move there while someone who lived in their own home a few miles away can never return to it in the same piece of land? Isn't that obviously wrong to you?

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Yes please send them to me. Not only has the story of the "40 beheaded babies" been declared a hoax, there is zero proof of rape, let alone gang raping of corpses, let alone burning babies alive. This is the first I've heard of what you are claiming, and I seriously wondering where you are getting your news from. What we do see is horrific footage day in and day out for the past 75+ years at the hands of israel, from…

Sure. My email is in my profile - send me an email from any email address (it can be disposable or whatever) and I'll send back the videos. In the meantime, here's the UK's report on the atrocities: https://www.7octparliamentarycommission.co.uk/ > "irrefutable record of the terrorists' crimes of homicide, rape, kidnapping and torture. As the report notes, this was "the largest single massacre of Jewish people since t…

I already responded from the official UN report. There is zero evidence of rape, let alone gang rape, let alone gang rape of corpses (wut?): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43605561

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Figure out how to dismantle the secret Jewish cabal controlling the world behind the scenes. Read more about them here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_... Seriously though, the Jewish control of the world (now Israeli/Zionist so you don't sound like an antisemite) is one of the most tired antiemetic tropes. Also: Zionist expansionism is a ridiculous term. You do understand that Israel is…

"My name is Tom Hacohen. I was born and raised in Tel-Aviv (Israel), lived in London for the last decade, and I'm now back in Israel." I suggest you learn more about the conflict from different perspectives if you think the claim of genocide is "weak". Criticism of your country's extensive human rights abuses is not antisemitism. You are representing your country very poorly with this post.

> I suggest you learn more about the conflict from different perspectives if you think the claim of genocide is "weak".

I do my best to learn about it from different perspectives. As for the genocide claim: I think it has been argued a lot online so no need to rehash it here.

> Criticism of your country's extensive human rights abuses is not antisemitism.

I disagree with the statement, though that's not the statement that he made. He made a statement about "Israeli control of western politics" which is just a tired trope. At least a hundred years old (see Wikipedia), but probably much older than that.

> You are representing your country very poorly with this post.

I was thinking twice before posting this, as I figured I'd be attacked for it. Though sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, and the Elder's of Zion nonsense had to be called out.

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Figure out how to dismantle the secret Jewish cabal controlling the world behind the scenes. Read more about them here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_... Seriously though, the Jewish control of the world (now Israeli/Zionist so you don't sound like an antisemite) is one of the most tired antiemetic tropes. Also: Zionist expansionism is a ridiculous term. You do understand that Israel is…

Why does believing that Israel's system of only allowing a minority ethnicity in the land it controls to have political power and rights but claiming to be a democracy is wrong, and why do you assume people who believe this also believe in whatever weird conspiracy you're talking about. Maybe the blood of one's ancestors doesn't make it okay for someone thousands of miles away who never lived in a place be eligible t…

I'm not sure I fully follow what you were saying, but here's an attempt at responding:

> Why does believing that Israel's system of only allowing a minority ethnicity in the land it controls to have political power and rights but claiming to be a democracy is wrong, and why do you assume people who believe this also believe in whatever weird conspiracy you're talking about.

1. Jews are a majority in Israel. 2. Non-Jews have equal rights (actually slightly better rights as they are exempt from military service). 3. I wasn't assuming he believes in that, he said "what can we do ... about Israeli control of western politics", which is the conspiracy.

> Maybe the blood of one's ancestors doesn't make it okay for someone thousands of miles away who never lived in a place be eligible to move there while someone who lived in their own home a few miles away can never return to it in the same piece of land? Isn't that obviously wrong to you?

I think what you're asking is: why is it OK to have the "right of return" to Jewish people to get automatic citizenship based on them being Jewish while someone that lives in Gaza and was born in Israel can't return there?

Let's split this part to two. Let's start with the right of return: sovereign countries can make their own laws, which includes immigration laws. In fact, many countries do. Is it fair that if you're rich you can buy a New Zealand citizenship and if you're poor it's much harder? Maybe not, but that's their right to do it.

Additionally, you can't remove this law from the general context in which it lives: Jews have been persecuted throughout history wherever they lived, culminating in the murder of 6 million Jews in the holocaust. Jews have therefore fled from all over the world to the only country in the world where they are protected, which is Israel. This persecution btw happened in the Muslim world as well, which is why you don't see many Jews still living in any Muslim countries anymore.

The second part of your statement was about the Gazans coming back to Israel. The UN resolution that created Israel also created Palestine. Though unlike the Jews that accepted it, the Muslims did not, and they, along with Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon decided to attack Israel. In fact, if you look at the history of wars in the region it's always: someone attacked Israel, and Israel defended itself. Not one war started by Israel.

Anyhow, the Arab forces lost and during the wars Palestinians fled. This is not even conquered land btw, this is part of the original UN decision. Wars are awful, and it's sad that they decided to flee, but they didn't have to. In fact, there are many Muslims living in Israel (and with equal rights, unlike your original claim) which are descendants of the ones that didn't flee. Should they be allowed to emigrate to Israel? I don't think in the history of the world any country has allowed the descendants of a losing army to emigrate to their country. I also don't think they want to do that, they want to make Israel their own ("from the river to the sea...").

Additionally, I know that it's easy to look at Israel now and think wow, this is what Palestinians are losing on. Though Israel was mostly swamps and desert and was built by Israelis. Here is downtown Tel-Aviv and the founding families that built the city: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%92%D7%A8%D7%9C%D7%AA...

There was no such thing as Palestine in the way that you think about it. E.g. the Palestinian flag was created in 1964, and Israel was created in 1948 (16 years prior). All the silly memes you see showing coins and stamps from Palestine in 1914 actually all say "Palestine (Land of Israel)" in Hebrew, it just says Palestine as well because that was the name the region was called by Brits when they took over the area. In fact, if memory serves, the name Palestine comes from the Romans who conquered Judea (source of the word Jew, was the Jewish kingdom) and wanted to spite the Jews so they renamed it to something else (Palestine).

Anyhow, ended up being quite long, I hope it was interesting.

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