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Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Post by mplanchard »

firesteelrain wrote: post #16

Mahdawi allegedly supports Hamas. Hamas is officially designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the State Departmemt. This designation means that providing material support to Hamas is a federal crime under US law. Green card holders or anyone in the US can face serious legal and immigration consequences for any form of support or affiliation with Hamas.

Real question: is there any precedent that simple speech constitutes material support?

I don’t particularly think it applies to this case, tbh, given that his actions were focused on Palestine, not on Hamas, but I am curious if there’s any existing legal basis for the claim that someone could be convicted of such material support simply for saying, for example, that the IRA wasn’t unreasonable given the situation at the time.

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

ffsm8 wrote: post #42
notepad0x90 wrote: post #15

I earnestly hope enough Americans read and learn from history. The biggest pattern to glean in my opinion is that often when the majority populace realizes some action needs to be taken, it is too late. There is no way around preemptive action (and for clarity, I'm not talking about violence, since that would violate rules here, I mean things like general strikes, forming a new political party, aggressive political a…

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I was in college in the 90s. People were protesting and taking over admin buildings. Speaking was not a crime. There has been no evidence that Mahdawi has done anything other than speak or contribute to organizing a protest. Neither of these activities are criminal activities.

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

bathtub365 wrote: post #62
vorpalhex wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He goes in front of an Immigration judge, not a local judge. His Habeas hearing will be based near his detainment location.

Has that been confirmed somewhere? Surely if Abrego Garcia had had a real hearing the court would have heard that he had an order preventing his deportation to El Salvador.

That's what happened to Mahmoud Khalil [0]. Khalil has not been charged as a criminal. He was moved from New York to a detention center in Louisiana. Secretary of State Marco Rubio released a memo saying Khalil is a risk and could not stay in the US. A Louisiana immigration judge ruled that she could not overrule Rubio's decision.

There is no reason to think the current Administration will not continue to use this tactic.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Mahmoud_Khalil

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Post by firesteelrain »

pmarreck wrote: post #57
firesteelrain wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ Khalil is not a citizen, and as such his permanent residency is based upon continuously meeting the government's definition of possessing "good moral character" https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1j9ata1/comme... Another https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/us-jud... “ That form asks: “Have you ever, or do you intend, to provide financial assistance or other support to terrorists or ter…

That first link is about Khalil. The original post is about Mahdawi, an entirely different person. Mahdawi was actually interviewed by 60 Minutes a year ago. This is hardly a Mahmoud Khalil clone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA

Understand. I was providing rationale on why he can be eligible for deportation under US immigration laws for green card holders.

But this is the kind of ilk that is being defended here. It was known 3 months ago that he was subject to deportation.

https://x.com/neveragainlive1/status/1885157904681926934?s=4...

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Post by AlecSchueler »

vorpalhex wrote: post #45
bathtub365 wrote: post #40

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Will he? That’s not how it’s gone for others who have been kidnapped by ICE and deported recently. > The attorneys said they do not know where he is and have filed a petition in federal court seeking an order barring the government from removing him from the state or country.

He goes in front of an Immigration judge, not a local judge. His Habeas hearing will be based near his detainment location.

What are you basing this claim on?

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Post by pmarreck »

firesteelrain wrote: post #74
pmarreck wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That first link is about Khalil. The original post is about Mahdawi, an entirely different person. Mahdawi was actually interviewed by 60 Minutes a year ago. This is hardly a Mahmoud Khalil clone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA

Understand. I was providing rationale on why he can be eligible for deportation under US immigration laws for green card holders. But this is the kind of ilk that is being defended here. It was known 3 months ago that he was subject to deportation. https://x.com/neveragainlive1/status/1885157904681926934?s=4...

I'm confused, because the person depicted by that tweet does not AT ALL resemble the person being interviewed here a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA

Please at least watch this and see if you see his sincerity. Maybe you will end up as confused as me?

We need to use a scalpel, and not a sword, when it comes to distinguishing actual bad-actors, from mere associations to ethnicities or origins. For one thing, why would a guy who converted to Buddhism even do what that tweet is claiming?

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Post by dang »

BuckRogers wrote: post #68
notepad0x90 wrote: post #15

I earnestly hope enough Americans read and learn from history. The biggest pattern to glean in my opinion is that often when the majority populace realizes some action needs to be taken, it is too late. There is no way around preemptive action (and for clarity, I'm not talking about violence, since that would violate rules here, I mean things like general strikes, forming a new political party, aggressive political a…

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You've been posting a huge number of political, ideological and even religious flamewar comments to HN. If you keep this up, we're going to have to ban you.

Actually you're already way over the line at which we'd ban an account (and yes, we do this regardless of what positions they're flaming for or against). But you've also posted good-for-HN comments, and your account has been here a while, so I'm going to give you a warning first. No more posts of this kind, please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Post by kbelder »

KittenInABox wrote: post #47
ffsm8 wrote: post #42

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Could you specify what actions they are doing that would be classified as criminal 20+ years ago? Mind you that students also occupied academic buildings, sometimes forcefully, during Vietnam war protests.

>students also occupied academic buildings, sometimes forcefully, during Vietnam war protests.

Well, that is criminal.

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

TYPE_FASTER wrote: post #73
bathtub365 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has that been confirmed somewhere? Surely if Abrego Garcia had had a real hearing the court would have heard that he had an order preventing his deportation to El Salvador.

That's what happened to Mahmoud Khalil [0]. Khalil has not been charged as a criminal. He was moved from New York to a detention center in Louisiana. Secretary of State Marco Rubio released a memo saying Khalil is a risk and could not stay in the US. A Louisiana immigration judge ruled that she could not overrule Rubio's decision. There is no reason to think the current Administration will not continue to use this ta…

Secretary of State Rubio has indeed issued a memo regarding the administration's desire to deport Mohsen Mahdawi: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/15/nyregion/rubio-mahdawi-de...

Re: Palestinian activist arrested by ICE while expecting U.S. citizenship interview

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Post by vorpalhex »

za3faran wrote: post #66
vorpalhex wrote: post #65

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Hamas, who the gentleman being returned to his home country gave material support to, including distributing their produced materials at Columbia. I am happy to send you the footage from October 7th if you'd like to see it. I recommend you keep a trash can nearby. It is the most horrific footage I have seen and beats out even the massacre at Bucha.

Yes please send them to me. Not only has the story of the "40 beheaded babies" been declared a hoax, there is zero proof of rape, let alone gang raping of corpses, let alone burning babies alive. This is the first I've heard of what you are claiming, and I seriously wondering where you are getting your news from. What we do see is horrific footage day in and day out for the past 75+ years at the hands of israel, from…

Sure. My email is in my profile - send me an email from any email address (it can be disposable or whatever) and I'll send back the videos.

In the meantime, here's the UK's report on the atrocities: https://www.7octparliamentarycommission.co.uk/

> "irrefutable record of the terrorists' crimes of homicide, rape, kidnapping and torture. As the report notes, this was "the largest single massacre of Jewish people since the Holocaust".

The UN report (which was early on): https://www.un.org/unispal/document/coi-attacks-7october2023...

> The Special Representative of the Secretary-General (SRSG) on Sexual Violence in Conflict, Pramila Patten, found after a mission to Israel in January to February 2024 reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred at several locations, including in the form of rape and gang rape

And the UN issuing an update noting sexual rape of held hostages: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147217

> The team also found a pattern of victims - mostly women - found fully or partially naked, bound and shot across multiple locations which “may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence”.

And several of the hostages (eg Aviva Siegal) reported being sexually assaulted including gang rape.

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