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She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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I hope what is happening in the US right now, with people getting deported for writing Op-Eds criticizing US foreign policy, is a temporarily thing and not the direction we are heading into. But if it isn't temporarily, we should expect surveillance like discussed in this article to grow and our opinions to be monitored in a more pervasive fashion. It is a relatively trivial matter from a technology standpoint to fee…

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Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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> These ride-sharing apps are big companies and people have a lot of sensitive conversations within cabs and they feel like they're secure why would anyone think talking in a car driven by a stranger is secure!?

There's a difference between having a conversation with the expectation it will be casually overheard and having a conversation with the expectation it's permanently recorded and will be analyzed, possibly leaked in the future in a world where you can trivially create vocal deep fakes with a few samples.

>recorded and will be analyzed, possibly leaked in the future in a world where you can trivially create vocal deep fakes with a few samples.

If that's your threat model, you should be far more concerned about recorded zoom meetings or customer support calls, rather than a surveillance camera that in a likelihood isn't even networked.

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

#53

I hope what is happening in the US right now, with people getting deported for writing Op-Eds criticizing US foreign policy, is a temporarily thing and not the direction we are heading into. But if it isn't temporarily, we should expect surveillance like discussed in this article to grow and our opinions to be monitored in a more pervasive fashion. It is a relatively trivial matter from a technology standpoint to fee…

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Surveillance of non-citizens on US soil implies surveillance of citizens.

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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This seems a bit of an overreaction. If im entering a gas station, I assume Im being recorded. Same should be true for a cab or rideshare.

If you are entering a gas station you are only for ~5 min. In a cab you are sometimes for half an hour - If somebody call you during a ride it's weird to tell "sorry I will call you later because I'm in a cab and being recorded honey" I'm not sure if this is in US but at least in EU you are only allowed to record video without audio with security cameras.

>If somebody call you during a ride it's weird to tell "sorry I will call you later because I'm in a cab and being recorded honey"

But it's not weird to say "I'm in a bus full of people, and don't want to talk about my hemorrhoids "?

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Surveillance of non-citizens on US soil implies surveillance of citizens.

No, the surveillors will be issued with special microphones that are capable of detecting the residence status of the speaker from ultrasonics and not recording it.

(/sarcasm, although I'm sure someone will make an argument almost as ludicrous about how this is actually fine)

Also, I'm sure citizenship is a perfectly fixed status that it's not possible for the administration to decide to change administratively by altering a record in a database.

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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It's easy to accidentally hit the microphone button that appears for any text field in almost all smartphone apps. The phone then transcribes any speech it hears and enters it into the field. I've done this. It's not hard to imagine a scenario where the driver had the message passenger view open in the Lyft app and accidentally recorded the conversation this way. This probably happens a lot but this time the driver a…

Or it could be a feature in the Lyft app that they said it was not the case but who believes them...

If it's in app, there would be an obvious microphone consent pop up and usage indicator.

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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I hope what is happening in the US right now, with people getting deported for writing Op-Eds criticizing US foreign policy, is a temporarily thing and not the direction we are heading into. But if it isn't temporarily, we should expect surveillance like discussed in this article to grow and our opinions to be monitored in a more pervasive fashion. It is a relatively trivial matter from a technology standpoint to fee…

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Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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I hope what is happening in the US right now, with people getting deported for writing Op-Eds criticizing US foreign policy, is a temporarily thing and not the direction we are heading into. But if it isn't temporarily, we should expect surveillance like discussed in this article to grow and our opinions to be monitored in a more pervasive fashion. It is a relatively trivial matter from a technology standpoint to fee…

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For now

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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I hope what is happening in the US right now, with people getting deported for writing Op-Eds criticizing US foreign policy, is a temporarily thing and not the direction we are heading into. But if it isn't temporarily, we should expect surveillance like discussed in this article to grow and our opinions to be monitored in a more pervasive fashion. It is a relatively trivial matter from a technology standpoint to fee…

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A) The historical position of the US is that human rights (freedom of belief and speech among them) are inalienable. It plays out different for non-citizens but up until the current administration, largely the same constitutional and due protections have been judged to apply.

B) We're talking about the government proactively monitoring communications for thought crimes. That doesn't actually protect or help anyone.

C)The "reprehensible" positions here are things like "genocide is bad" or "Trump is a fascist." I don't know about you, but I don't believe such thoughts should be illegal.

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between having a conversation with the expectation it will be casually overheard and having a conversation with the expectation it's permanently recorded and will be analyzed, possibly leaked in the future in a world where you can trivially create vocal deep fakes with a few samples.

>recorded and will be analyzed, possibly leaked in the future in a world where you can trivially create vocal deep fakes with a few samples. If that's your threat model, you should be far more concerned about recorded zoom meetings or customer support calls, rather than a surveillance camera that in a likelihood isn't even networked.

That's a strange reply in a thread about being texted a (likely LLM generated) transcript of your conversation after getting out of a ride-share.

How did that happen without being networked?

I know when I am being recorded in a meeting and it's in a professional setting, not a casual one. Not comparable.

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