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She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Post by pzo »

pm90 wrote: post #2

This seems a bit of an overreaction. If im entering a gas station, I assume Im being recorded. Same should be true for a cab or rideshare.

If you are entering a gas station you are only for ~5 min. In a cab you are sometimes for half an hour - If somebody call you during a ride it's weird to tell "sorry I will call you later because I'm in a cab and being recorded honey"

I'm not sure if this is in US but at least in EU you are only allowed to record video without audio with security cameras.

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Post by [deleted] »

ghaff wrote: post #5
pm90 wrote: post #2

This seems a bit of an overreaction. If im entering a gas station, I assume Im being recorded. Same should be true for a cab or rideshare.

Respectfully disagree. I’m not going to hold highly sensitive conversations anywhere that someone could hear. And I assume a lot of presentations people work on in planes are at least somewhat sensitive if the wrong person were to see. But I do assume some modicum of privacy.

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Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Post by cess11 »

laborcontract wrote: post #7

With LLMs and the new transcription models it’s too easy for an individual to implement mass surveillance. You could easily plant listening devices around a cafe and pick up every conversation. I don’t think we’ve properly internalized this as a society. While I’m not saying to be paranoid everywhere you go, I do this there should be reasonable expectation of being tapped in higher value areas where people like to ca…

That could be done before, but now you could automatically flag and harass people based on the transcriptions and a lot of people would think it is a quite robust system, or will in the future when the only one they actually confide in is a chatbot.

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Post by righthand »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #9
Bairfhionn wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, is this an American thing to just accept that? "It's just like that."

How else can you adjudicate a he said she said scenario?

It's not he-said-she-said, they sent a txt message to her of her conversation.

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Post by HPsquared »

davweb wrote: post #10

It's easy to accidentally hit the microphone button that appears for any text field in almost all smartphone apps. The phone then transcribes any speech it hears and enters it into the field. I've done this. It's not hard to imagine a scenario where the driver had the message passenger view open in the Lyft app and accidentally recorded the conversation this way. This probably happens a lot but this time the driver a…

That actually makes perfect sense. It's a reminder that we are all now surrounded by microphones that may or may not be recording.

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Post by fazeirony »

Bairfhionn wrote: post #3
pm90 wrote: post #2

This seems a bit of an overreaction. If im entering a gas station, I assume Im being recorded. Same should be true for a cab or rideshare.

Sorry, is this an American thing to just accept that? "It's just like that."

i'm an american and it is is exactly stuff like this that causes me to avoid using services like this like the plague if i can avoid them.

despite living here, privacy to me is important. if i were this woman, i'd not let it go at all - don't give these scumbag companies agency to do what they want with impunity.

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Post by belter »

davweb wrote: post #10

It's easy to accidentally hit the microphone button that appears for any text field in almost all smartphone apps. The phone then transcribes any speech it hears and enters it into the field. I've done this. It's not hard to imagine a scenario where the driver had the message passenger view open in the Lyft app and accidentally recorded the conversation this way. This probably happens a lot but this time the driver a…

> This seems much more likely than a company recording someone without their consent but also texting them the transcription.

Where have we seen something similar before? Always assume the worst technical messups, instead of crediting corporations

"Amazon's Alexa sent 1,700 recordings to the wrong person" - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazons-alexa-sent-1700-recordi...

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Post by suyash »

davweb wrote: post #10

It's easy to accidentally hit the microphone button that appears for any text field in almost all smartphone apps. The phone then transcribes any speech it hears and enters it into the field. I've done this. It's not hard to imagine a scenario where the driver had the message passenger view open in the Lyft app and accidentally recorded the conversation this way. This probably happens a lot but this time the driver a…

Or it could be a feature in the Lyft app that they said it was not the case but who believes them...

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Post by reaperducer »

laborcontract wrote: post #7

With LLMs and the new transcription models it’s too easy for an individual to implement mass surveillance. You could easily plant listening devices around a cafe and pick up every conversation. I don’t think we’ve properly internalized this as a society. While I’m not saying to be paranoid everywhere you go, I do this there should be reasonable expectation of being tapped in higher value areas where people like to ca…

The last Lyft I took had two big stickers on the rear passenger-side window warning that by getting into the car, I give consent to being videotaped and audio recorded.

But what are you going to do? Not get in? Then you have to pay a no-show fee, and eventually get banned from the app.

Re: She was chatting with friends in a Lyft. Then someone texted her what they said

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Post by maxerickson »

reaperducer wrote: post #19
laborcontract wrote: post #7

With LLMs and the new transcription models it’s too easy for an individual to implement mass surveillance. You could easily plant listening devices around a cafe and pick up every conversation. I don’t think we’ve properly internalized this as a society. While I’m not saying to be paranoid everywhere you go, I do this there should be reasonable expectation of being tapped in higher value areas where people like to ca…

The last Lyft I took had two big stickers on the rear passenger-side window warning that by getting into the car, I give consent to being videotaped and audio recorded. But what are you going to do? Not get in? Then you have to pay a no-show fee, and eventually get banned from the app.

That seems like the sort of narrowly scoped, 3 party situation where the surveillance is not particularly problematic.
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