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Re: Europe is trying to leave Starlink behind

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Post by inemesitaffia » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 5:15 AM UTC

pstuart wrote: post #40

TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

then why does spacex have superior outputs?

> then why does spacex have superior outputs? * The dictate of fail fast and iterate quickly, along with simplification of mechanisms and ample compute power. * Not being mired in the bureaucracy of committees and government bodies to answer to Yes, being enabled by a billionaire with a dream made a huge difference. But that's not a guarantee, as there's been 3 such billionaires and only one SpaceX.

SpaceX was founded with him as a millionaire tho

Re: Europe is trying to leave Starlink behind

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Post by wqaatwt » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 5:41 AM UTC

darkhorn wrote: post #36

TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tons to space.

Because the USA is a big economy where people speak only one language. Would Elon Musk be able to create same success if he started Starlink or SpaceX in Norway?

What about France? ArianeSpace was the SpaceX of the 80s (they had >50% market share of commercial satellite launches). There were plenty of other innovative European companies if you go back several decades. These days? Not so much..

Re: Europe is trying to leave Starlink behind

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Post by aaron695 » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 6:33 AM UTC

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Re: Europe is trying to leave Starlink behind

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Post by ashoeafoot » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 7:19 AM UTC

If you set starlink to collide with one another , you get a nice kessler shield that prevents all icbm firing

Re: Europe is trying to leave Starlink behind

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Post by watwut » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 9:07 AM UTC

matthewdgreen wrote: post #2

Global adoption of Starlink sure seems like it will be another likely casualty of the current Elon Musk political era. Why do any of this?

1.) He needs them government contracts. And by needs I mean "really really needs".

2.) He believes in far right and government is far right. He is at home in this goverment.

3.) Attention and power. He got both now to unprecedented degree.

Re: Europe is trying to leave Starlink behind

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Post by buuu » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 9:16 AM UTC

TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #22

One web needs ground based gateways, which isn't really an option in warzones. These gateways will be immediately targeted. The only option is to used space based lasers for relay. Of which, spaceX is the only entity on the planet with this technology. Love or hate Elon, he's been able to turn himself into a very powerful figure on the world stage through technology alone. If you think him having complete control ove…

IRIS2 is literally being shot up this year and will work with good ol' regular 5G, instead of relying on expensive specialized terminals like starlink. [0]

No need to bring anti-worker propaganda into this.

[0] https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/eutelsat-succeeds-w...

Re: Europe is trying to leave Starlink behind

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Post by cedws » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 10:20 AM UTC

ashoeafoot wrote: post #44

If you set starlink to collide with one another , you get a nice kessler shield that prevents all icbm firing

Interesting concept for sci-fi but not realistic.

Re: Europe is trying to leave Starlink behind

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Post by tempera » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 12:54 PM UTC

It's not Europe, it's some bureaucrats at Bruxelles that have never standed for election.

Re: Europe is trying to leave Starlink behind

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Post by TrapLord_Rhodo » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 2:00 PM UTC

jltsiren wrote: post #37

TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in 2001, Eutelsat transitioned into a private company, Eutelsat S.A., and later became Eutelsat Communications S.A., headquartered in Paris, France. In 2023, Eutelsat merged with OneWeb, a company founded in 2012, to form the Eutelsat Group. Essentially, just as old as SpaceX. So, how does one ensure a company continues to make good decisions? Have a very flat structure, and have alot of smart people work insanely lo…

And before 2001, Eutelsat was an intergovernmental organization. You can't get rid of legacy baggage just by rebranding yourself. You need to get rid of existing stakeholders, directors, and managers. And to discard the existing organizational structures and organizational culture. It's not possible to keep making good decisions indefinitely. Every organization eventually regresses towards mediocrity. Maybe incentive…

I don't really follow what you are arguing here. You starting with long hours is the same as hiring two times the amount of people, then you say that the european companies are all to old to innovate? There are plenty of european startups in the space race, they just can't compete... because europeans have a distain for "Fetishizing long work hours"

Re: Europe is trying to leave Starlink behind

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Post by TrapLord_Rhodo » Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 2:01 PM UTC

darkhorn wrote: post #36

TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tons to space.

Because the USA is a big economy where people speak only one language. Would Elon Musk be able to create same success if he started Starlink or SpaceX in Norway?

no, because it's illegal to work more than 48 hours a week. Which is like... The minimum to not get fired in the states.

If you have more people willing to work longer hours... you win, thats it. It's pretty simple really.