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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

mmooss wrote: post #564
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The executive branch is merely going to ignore everything and then apply pardon powers to any sort of actual enforcement by the judiciary branch. But how can this judiciary enforce anything, or the legislative for that matter?

You are believing the trash talk and allowing it to intimidate you. You are helping them by spreading it and legitimizing it. The executive branch is obeying the courts, with some pushback.

Or are you dismissing overt signalling of fascism as "just owning the libs"? Are you just cherry picking communication you feel safe about and ignoring the huge glaring signs being flashed by dozens of appointees? Are you pretending Obama and bush established legal precedents for classifying citizens as enemy combatants for rendition, denial of due process, and murder by drone without trial? That we don't have a better than 1984 turnkey oppression and total.monitorinf infrastructure for any despot of sufficient motivation which this admin has amply stated affection towards?

Language is important from leaders. So is consistency and some degree of integrity. Even disingenuous cowtowing to appearances and political norms constrains power and abuse.

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Post by sfx77 »

igravious wrote: post #621
sfx77 wrote: post #478

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> This is nonsense, there is no genocide, ethnic cleansing, apartheid or anything of the sort. False. False. False. ‣ re: genocide [genocide Gaza]( https://www.google.com/search?q=genocide%20gaza ) ‣ re: ethnic cleansing [ethnic cleansing]( https://www.google.com/search?q=ethnic%20cleansing%20israel ) ‣ re: apartheid [apartheid `Israel`]( https://www.google.com/search?q=apartheid%20israel ) What does it say about you…

This is John Spencer the chair or urban warfare studies at West Point Academy. The most prestigious military academy in the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25xaPTsmGGE

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by simion314 »

edanm wrote: post #719
simion314 wrote: post #708

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I give you a lot of clues on how to detect a bot I did not said that all people that disagree with me ar bots, for example I disagree with lot of MAGA uninformed people and they are not bots, I can see they are behaving like regular people. Read those hints again, is your account a f ew days old, do you only post about Israel? do you comments appear super fast in response to my comments like it was triggered by alarm…

> I give you a lot of clues on how to detect a bot I did not said that all people that disagree with me ar bots, You're putting a bunch of barriers between hearing someone else's opinion and accepting it as valid. > Read those hints again, is your account a f ew days old, do you only post about Israel? In my case, no and no. > do you comments appear super fast in response to my comments like it was triggered by alarm…

>I do what plenty of other HN users do - I use a 3rd party service that notifies me when someone replies to any of my posts.

But do you get notified when I chat with Bob about Israel? Or get a notification when someone says something bad about Israel?

OK, let me know why I am mistaken to name Israel killing civilian including children a war crime. Also explain why the recent war crime of killing red cross members (again) is not a war crime . The assholes denied it until video evidence was shown. (very , very shitty behaviour, the same like Ruzzian bots claiming the Azerbaijan airplane was downed by birds and still denying until today that it was Ruzzia).

This is other clue to detect a paid bot, denies evidence until their Mistry pof Invazions confirm it with a spin why it was not them or it was a excusable .

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Post by netrus »

logicchains wrote: post #654
baq wrote: post #652

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Both sides want their side engaged and the other apathetic. On a national level this means FSB employing hundreds if not thousands of people to troll political discourse in social media in the west to maximize the amount of ‘I don’t care anymore’ people. A very asymmetric setup exposing the underbelly of free speech cultures.

>A very asymmetric setup exposing the underbelly of free speech cultures As opposed to non-free-speech cultures like Russia and China where people have absolutely no say in whatever their leaders do? Because that's inevitably what happens when you give people in power the power to restrict speech: they restrict any speech critical of them. We're even seeing this in developed democracies like Germany where a journalis…

It's important to be precise because everything is not the same. In the German case the ruling was not because someone posted a critical meme, but because it was not entirely obvious the picture was edited (as in: you and I can immediately see the photo was edited, but some people will not recognize the edit). I do not agree with the ruling, but as a citizen I am happy that in Germany we still care if claims are true or not (and try to prevent people from lying).

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

mmooss wrote: post #558
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #415

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For a supposedly intellectual site that I clearly am at best in the middle tier of intellectual ability, this place is shockingly passive and accepting of the converging futures of authoritarian AI and the marked collapse of political discourse, if not rule of law. Maybe I'm just a dumb one that speaks up, everyone else has gone dark forest.

That has been the case for years: IME the authoritarian politics had much more support here; I'd say it was the majority of voices heard. It diminished considerably when Trump was elected and then took office. But the silence has been a long-standing problem: HN has long been largely silent on the social and political dangers of IT - really an outrage; here are the people most responsible, and the outcomes are predic…

There's this macrocycle of fatigue related to Godwins law for, what, 30 years of online discourse.

The undeniable long term trend during this period has been increasing surveillance, control, centralization of power in the executive, weakening of rights, due process, legal authority, politicization of the judiciary, and majority minority slowly building a core base of manipulatable populism.

Maybe I'm naive about the past, even the last 75 years of what was really going on in Washington, but a Seig heil on national television with no pushback or consequences beyond grassroot pushback (and it has been ALL grassroot) was a crystallizing moment.

This isn't stuff to roll your eyes over as just Godwins law style hyperbole.

The only in the I mean only saving grace, is that the stock market exists for immediate political blowback. But the fact that the only functional political bulwark against trump is the second by second ticker of financial health of the oligarchs is really depressing.

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Post by jmpman »

mlindner wrote: post #647
jmpman wrote: post #422

Yesterday, my high school son was sitting on the couch. Asked him what he was doing… “social studies on the partitioning of Palestine in 1948”. More spicy a topic that I was expecting. Intrigued, I asked ChatGPT a few questions about the religious populations of modern Israel throughout the centuries. Got some interesting results and asked it for some clarification on the political sensitivity of this topic. It agree…

SMS messages get sent when you're outside of data network.

Or when the phone detects questionable content and decides to? I was sitting on my couch, next to my son when I sent the message. We were both connected to the WiFi. Sure, I’ve had messages sent via SMS before, typically when I’m on a plane and just lose 5G connectivity - but never on my couch before. Just seemed like a strange coincidence which made me realize that could be a viable attack pattern against a population.

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Post by Ray20 »

spencerflem wrote: post #352
mnky9800n wrote: post #346

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Russia doesn’t just put people in jail for speaking against the government. They weaponise the generational fear of being disappeared by the government. This is not close to what happens in America where you can post anything anywhere and if Facebook deletes it you can always make your own website about it. If you did this in Russia you go to jail. Even if you say things like “it is sad Ukrainian children die in chil…

They are now denying visas, and deporting lawful residents, sending them to offshore torture prisons, for social media posts. For non citizens, regardless of length of time or legality, this is the case right now. For birthright citizens and full citizens it will be the case very soon

I think it's disgusting hypocrisy. We're talking about the USA, aren't we? A country that has started many, many wars, a country that massacred innocent Vietnamese, Afghans, Iraqis. Even at this very moment, the US is participating in the killing of honest, decent, innocent Palestinians and Russians. But that's okay, not worth mentioning.

But deporting lawful residents? How dare you, America? This is definitely the beginning of the end.

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Post by reissbaker »

michaelsshaw wrote: post #711
reissbaker wrote: post #697

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When do you think the supposed genocide started?

1948

Interesting! And in this supposed 77 year long genocide, did the population size of Palestinians decrease?

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Post by com »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #610
kelseyfrog wrote: post #514

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The right to be forgotten is a natural consequence of reality - nothing is by default permanent. It's digital systems that have perverted reality by persisting information beyond its normal short lifetime. If there's one law of the universe it's that nothing is permanent.

What if I did something and it was written down in a book?

Books have limited print runs. Many books in libraries are only borrowed and perhaps read a few times. Niche titles more so. Books go out of print and are hard to search for arbitrary text.
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