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baq wrote: post #652
Retric wrote: post #622

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Ehh, I’ve got not particular stake in this conflict so it’s really interesting to see how each side is using propaganda and how obvious the propaganda is when you’re not emotionally invested. Each side is using different tactics to fit the strength of their positions and how well various messages resonate. “They are the same anyway” is useful for a side who wants people to be inactive, it’s not some universal benefit…

Both sides want their side engaged and the other apathetic. On a national level this means FSB employing hundreds if not thousands of people to troll political discourse in social media in the west to maximize the amount of ‘I don’t care anymore’ people. A very asymmetric setup exposing the underbelly of free speech cultures.

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Post by tehjoker »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #534
Braxton1980 wrote: post #457

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>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule…

If you are talking about Khalil, he didn't just speak against Israel, it seems like his role in an org which openly supported Hamas may have played a part but didn't matter legally. The legal issue was that he left out facts on his green card application. I am 100% sure that support of terrorist orgs can invalidate your green card. https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-administration-claims-palest... > According to recent…

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

MPSFounder wrote: post #321
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #312

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I've had this myself when trying to argue a point on a previous Palestine post on HN months ago. They essentially listed off all of the generic antisemetic tropes as fast as they could, trying to tie themself to me while contributing nothing to the discussion.

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liorsbg wrote: post #686
janalsncm wrote: post #25

So when the government pointed to the disproportionate support for Palestine on TikTok vs Instagram, it was actually because Instagram was suppressing it. It is ironic. https://x.com/hawleymo/status/1717505662601609401

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

sharpshadow wrote: post #270
kubb wrote: post #169

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Anna Politkovskaya – Investigative journalist and critic of the Chechen war, shot in Moscow (2006). Alexander Litvinenko – Ex-FSB officer poisoned with polonium in London (2006). Stanislav Markelov & Anastasia Baburova – Human rights lawyer and journalist, shot in Moscow (2009). Boris Nemtsov – Opposition leader, shot near the Kremlin (2015). Denis Voronenkov – Former Russian MP, shot in Kyiv (2017). Nikolai Andrushc…

If you gonna mix in politicians and opposition the USA has a extensive list themselves.

I mean, you don’t have to go far to find Soviet-style political repression in the USA.

Julian Assange says hi.

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Post by bluecheese452 »

arbitrary_name wrote: post #500
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #415

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For a supposedly intellectual site that I clearly am at best in the middle tier of intellectual ability, this place is shockingly passive and accepting of the converging futures of authoritarian AI and the marked collapse of political discourse, if not rule of law. Maybe I'm just a dumb one that speaks up, everyone else has gone dark forest.

Fuck Donald Trump and his gross, weird, pathetic mafia. This regime is a rogue autocracy strangling anything good about this once great country. I hope every single person responsible for the many crimes they have committed (and they have committed crimes) faces justice, if not in this life, then the next one. Oh, that feels good to get off my chest.

There is no next life. This is all we got. Let’s make the most of it.

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Post by reissbaker »

michaelsshaw wrote: post #634
bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

Defending yourself from genocide is not terrorism

When do you think the supposed genocide started?

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Post by toofy »

nikkwong wrote: post #351
janalsncm wrote: post #25

So when the government pointed to the disproportionate support for Palestine on TikTok vs Instagram, it was actually because Instagram was suppressing it. It is ironic. https://x.com/hawleymo/status/1717505662601609401

While this may be part of the story, it's certainly not the full picture. We know that the CCP is actively manipulating the algorithm on Tiktok to further their agenda on multiple other geopolitical issues—something we have ample evidence for. I don't know if there is a smoking gun on this one topic in particular, but the CCP's goal has always been to divide the American audience; and we know that older Americans ske…

it wouldn’t surprise me at all if it were being manipulated, but we know for absolute certain facebooks sites and twitter are manipulated.

we should be looking to stop all manipulation, whether from a state or billionaires. this kind of manipulation is awful no matter what the source is.

i have a hard time understanding why so many are terrified of tiktok yet turn around and seem eager to suck from twitter or facebook’s firehose.

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Post by kamlaserbeam »

mlindner wrote: post #642
Braxton1980 wrote: post #457

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>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule…

> Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. You and I both know that isn't true and repeating that doesn't help anyone but further implant in people's minds that the other side is completely irrational and cannot be reasoned with. No, the US government is deporting people for supporting terrorist organizations, something that's always been a di…

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Post by Retric »

baq wrote: post #666
logicchains wrote: post #654

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>A very asymmetric setup exposing the underbelly of free speech cultures As opposed to non-free-speech cultures like Russia and China where people have absolutely no say in whatever their leaders do? Because that's inevitably what happens when you give people in power the power to restrict speech: they restrict any speech critical of them. We're even seeing this in developed democracies like Germany where a journalis…

Whataboutism does not change anything about it being a weak spot. I’m only saying the free speech west can’t use the same tactic against these kind of adversaries because they’re insulated against them.

Free speech including paid speech isn’t really a knock on free speech.

Someone can be persuaded by an argument they heard once, but can’t per persuaded by an argument they never hear. Thus blocking speech by preventing any kind of speech including paid speech is problematic.

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