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Nothing illeagal. Just dirty.

The article doesn't even prove that anything is dirty. It's just carefully insinuating that these takedown requests are wrong, without actually showing any proof of this.

Manipulating the free flow of speech is inherently wrong. They are demonstrably censoring pro Palestine content without any regard at all to pro Israel content, or even pro Israel content that incites or calls for violence

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And then Zuckerberg says he's all about free speech, even mocking Europe as not being free-speech enough

He's not wrong though, that Europe isn't free-speech enough. I don't care about the hypocrisy, because free speech is so good and so beneficial that I don't care if the proponent is iffy.

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Stating that Israel doesn’t have a right to exist has been recognized to be an antisemitic statement by many prominent institutions. It’s a radical statement that effectively denies the rights of millions of people to exist and is especially problematic given the historical context of the establishment of Israel. The statement gets thrown around so much in certain circles that it’s gotten normalized. You’ve apparentl…

Why is it ok to say Palestine doesn’t have a right to exist, but not to say Israel doesn’t have a right?

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And here is an article on Raffi berg, BBC’s Middle East editor: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/bbc-civil-war-gaza-israel-bia...

And here is an analysis of BBC's anti-Israeli bias: https://asserson.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/asserson-r... And from the BBC itself: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2d4egk17l2o "Questions still remain for BBC after damaging Gaza documentary" https://www.ynetnews.com/culture/article/skcfkb1iyx "From bias to blunders: The BBC’s anti-Israel shift since October 7"

And opposite all that are Tiktok videos by Israeli soldiers, for which questions of journalistic bias are irrelevant.

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There is a difference in a foreign national engaging in political speech and a citizen. If anything allowing foreign nationals to adjust political speech here while supporting violence or terrorism would be inappropriate and unwise. After all, it's easy for a foreign power to send radicalizers to a foreign country to influence or topple them. Well trodeen history there. Sending radical students is much more effective…

respecting the rights of others to hold opinions that differ from your own is always appropriate and wise in the united states.

Of course, and as it stands foreign nationals on Visa's in the US don't have the same rights as citizens. Not that they shouldn't have some degree of free speech, but they can also be scrutinized and deported for advocating for violence and terrorism.

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Both sides want their side engaged and the other apathetic. On a national level this means FSB employing hundreds if not thousands of people to troll political discourse in social media in the west to maximize the amount of ‘I don’t care anymore’ people. A very asymmetric setup exposing the underbelly of free speech cultures.

>A very asymmetric setup exposing the underbelly of free speech cultures As opposed to non-free-speech cultures like Russia and China where people have absolutely no say in whatever their leaders do? Because that's inevitably what happens when you give people in power the power to restrict speech: they restrict any speech critical of them. We're even seeing this in developed democracies like Germany where a journalis…

Whataboutism does not change anything about it being a weak spot. I’m only saying the free speech west can’t use the same tactic against these kind of adversaries because they’re insulated against them.

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It's not at all equivalent. > The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life. What is American life? Why can't people criticize whatever they want - that is American life. > "Then they came for the Jews, and the administration finally deported the people who were coming for the Jews" The vast majority of antisemitism is on the right. The administration do…

But Zionism is not Judaism. Most of the pro-Palestine or anti-Zionist content I see is denouncing Israeli war crimes and genocide. No one is bashing Jews because of their ethnicity or religion. Also a lot of this comes from the Jews (who are then attacked for being confused or..... antisemitic) We're not at the point of people hunting Jews because they're Jews. We are at the point when opposing targeting/killing medi…

> I do not disagree with your comment in general, I disagree with you putting "Judaism" while the almost all the critique and rebuke is aimed at the Israeli war crimes or the Zionist supremacy ideology.

It's good that you brought this up!

It's a common right-wing tactic to conflate themselves with the purest version of something that is highly regarded and hide behind it. E.g the Nazis conflated themselves with "pure" Germanness, the fascists in Italy conflated themselves with "pure" Italianness, the same way now Israel conflates itself with Judaism/Jewishness. Then it naturally follows that if you attack Israel's genocide of the people in Palestine, you are attacking Judaism/Jewishness. If you question Netanyahu's genocidal ultra-supremacist ideology (which many Holocaust survivors, Jewish themselves, have done repeatedly), you are anti-Jewish, and so on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4OdkaTqmDs

A similar thing is happening in the US where the current administration is trying to position itself as America-first, so naturally any critique on them must be anti-American, right? You will find that this playbook is always the same. First will be immigrants, then non-traditional sexual orientations and women's reproductive rights, then the press and universities and finally just whoever they feel like.

Fortunately, if history goes to show us anything, it's these hate-fueled-orders always end up imploding.

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I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

Corruption of power is an inherent property of power. It is expected that people in power will get corrupted. The methods of power grabs are also fairly universal.

The difference between a corrupt shithole and free world is not in what the government tries to do, but in how the governed respond.

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I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

Anna Politkovskaya – Investigative journalist and critic of the Chechen war, shot in Moscow (2006). Alexander Litvinenko – Ex-FSB officer poisoned with polonium in London (2006). Stanislav Markelov & Anastasia Baburova – Human rights lawyer and journalist, shot in Moscow (2009). Boris Nemtsov – Opposition leader, shot near the Kremlin (2015). Denis Voronenkov – Former Russian MP, shot in Kyiv (2017). Nikolai Andrushc…

Trump is barely, like, 90? days into his presidency and his gestapo is already kidnapping people and shipping them to torture camps contrary to the court orders.

Putler is an established dicktator with a long list of killing his own citizens with impunity.

Give trump a couple of years. He can't do it overnight, he needs to cook the Americans slowly. Hitler didn't turn the Germans into Nazis overnight either.

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> The editorial boards of these newsrooms are often staffed with people who attended the same schools and classes as those running the country. The social circles of the two worlds are extremely closely linked. This is a conspiracy theory - they are secretly conspiring. Do you have evidence of this conspiracy actually happening on any scale? Many attended the same universities on all sides of politics and issues. The…

>This is a conspiracy theory Doesn't meet the criteria of what people typically call a conspiracy theory. It's easily verified or debunked by amateurs with publicly available information, it doesn't seem absurd on its face, and it makes no claims other than those of association (certainly none of blatant felony, coup, or world domination).

> no claims other than those of association

Yeah but that’s how modern conspiracy theories work. They have evolved beyond the old staples like flat earth and moon landing stuff which make clear statements. They instead just insinuate. And that’s enough to achieve the intended effect: to move your predispositions, while remaining immune to debunking because they haven’t made any specific claim.

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