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Stating that Israel doesn’t have a right to exist has been recognized to be an antisemitic statement by many prominent institutions. It’s a radical statement that effectively denies the rights of millions of people to exist and is especially problematic given the historical context of the establishment of Israel. The statement gets thrown around so much in certain circles that it’s gotten normalized. You’ve apparentl…

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You're right, attacking civilians is bad. So what does it say about a nation when it kills at least fifty thousand? ( https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... )

Because when you say that it makes it sounds like Israel randomly attacked Palestinians, which is not what happened. (can you re-enable comments on your comments?)

Three quarters of Israel's victims have been women and children. They had a nicknamed "Daddy's Home" protocol which was designed to blow up houses when the whole family was home to maximise the chance of killing the "alleged" terrorist (of which they only spent 10-20 seconds identifying). Are you blind to the atrocities of the past two years or do you really just not value an innocent palestinian life the same as an innocent israeli life.

(I think that you can only comment on a new comment after a couple of minutes)

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They do all the time, but Israel sabotages any attempt to reach a two-state solution. Take for example the so-called Great March of Return (2018), where thousands of Palestinians in Gaza, who lived under Israeli blockade (land, sea, and air) for over a decade, marched peacefully towards the border with Israel to protest the blockade. What did Israel do? - Israeli snipers shot a large number of protestors - 214 Palest…

Your comment completely lacks historical accuracy and context.

Israel offered Palestinians a two-state solution multiple times. During the Oslo accords Israel allowed Palestinian leadership to return and established the Palestinian Authority and gave it control over many areas as a path towards peace and a two state solution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

It was Palestinians who through a wave of suicide bombings made sure there's no chance of any solution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_suicide_attacks#Ba...

Your so called march was an attempt of Hamas to break the blockade. Similar to events that happened prior to Oct 7th to get Israel to drop its guard. Israel was justified in blockading Gaza as long as it was under Hamas control. Hamas fired numerous rockets at Israeli cities throughout the period since it took over the Gaza strip by force from the Palestinian Authority. Palestinians didn't need to march to remove the blockade. All they had to do is remove/disarm Hamas.

Most Palestinians do not want a two state solution. They want Israel removed, all the Jewish people removed from the middle east, and one state in its place.

I'm not going to defend settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank. It's not ok. But that is a relatively new phenomena that is a result of extremism in Israel due to decades of indiscriminate Palestinian violence against civilians. Before the first Intifada there were generally peaceful relationships (and a lot less settlers/settlement).

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It sounds like you're using the fact that the posts aren't available for you to view to evaluate as a weakness of the reporting on this suppression campaign, but of course they're not available because of the suppression campaign. Surely the burden should be on the censors to establish clearly that something is in fact incitement to violence, rather than on external reporters to magically show that content which has…

Generally i hold the burden to prove wrong-doing is on the party allegging wrong-doing. Otherwise we get in a situation where it can be effectively impossible for the accused to prove their innocence, as it is much more difficult to prove a negative than a positive.

> it can be effectively impossible for the accused to prove their innocence

Except in this case, the accused are the ones who have all the logs, all the records, all the database entries, etc. They are in fact in possession of the complete and perfect means to prove or disprove these allegations, and their choice not to use this data to defend themselves (i.e. by not showing that the posts were in fact harmful or inciting violence, etc) lends credence to the allegations.

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Poignant quote. Should we as a society accept students who are calling for violence and intifada on Israel or Jewish people in general? If anything some of those pro-Palestinian protests were more reminiscent of the 1933 “German Firm” boycotts the quote mentions than not: > A boycott sign posted on the display window of a Jewish-owned business reads: "Germans defend yourselves against Jewish atrocity propaganda. Buy…

gp's example is a slippery slope fallacy, adjusting political speech by deportation seems inappropriate.

There is a difference in a foreign national engaging in political speech and a citizen. If anything allowing foreign nationals to adjust political speech here while supporting violence or terrorism would be inappropriate and unwise. After all, it's easy for a foreign power to send radicalizers to a foreign country to influence or topple them. Well trodeen history there. Sending radical students is much more effective than a few thousand Twitter bots.

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Since service is manditory for most Isrealies, that just mean the 100 Isrealies in a company of 74,000 employees and somehow that is a conspiracy?

Yeah, and in what positions are these 100 ex IDF soldiers? Just some random frontend developers? Or overseeing community management?

I guess they're really good at what they do? As was said every Israel is ex-IDF. Service is mandatory. Many Israelis oppose Israel's government's policies as well.

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They do all the time, but Israel sabotages any attempt to reach a two-state solution. Take for example the so-called Great March of Return (2018), where thousands of Palestinians in Gaza, who lived under Israeli blockade (land, sea, and air) for over a decade, marched peacefully towards the border with Israel to protest the blockade. What did Israel do? - Israeli snipers shot a large number of protestors - 214 Palest…

We noticed the sincerity of this outreach on the 7th of October 2023, with 1,195 people butchered by the terrorists and 251 hostages taken. We are still grappling with the results.

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Maybe it's time to rethink the visibility and permanence of HN discussions.

For a supposedly intellectual site that I clearly am at best in the middle tier of intellectual ability, this place is shockingly passive and accepting of the converging futures of authoritarian AI and the marked collapse of political discourse, if not rule of law. Maybe I'm just a dumb one that speaks up, everyone else has gone dark forest.

That has been the case for years:

IME the authoritarian politics had much more support here; I'd say it was the majority of voices heard. It diminished considerably when Trump was elected and then took office.

But the silence has been a long-standing problem: HN has long been largely silent on the social and political dangers of IT - really an outrage; here are the people most responsible, and the outcomes are predictable. That would include especially disinformation and misinformation, and propaganda more generally; and also the power of social media. Those are what makes it impossible to do anything.

When things became so polarized, years ago, shutting down discourse everywhere, HN didn't work to solve the problem - they stopped talking too. Again, a big failure of the people with the knowledge, skill, and power. But shutting down discourse is not politically neutral - it's a great help to the corrupt and evil to hide what they do and prevent people from responding to it. Democracy dies in darkness, I've heard.

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Poignant quote. Should we as a society accept students who are calling for violence and intifada on Israel or Jewish people in general? If anything some of those pro-Palestinian protests were more reminiscent of the 1933 “German Firm” boycotts the quote mentions than not: > A boycott sign posted on the display window of a Jewish-owned business reads: "Germans defend yourselves against Jewish atrocity propaganda. Buy…

Nazi rallies occur periodically in the US https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/us/columbus-ohio-neo-nazi-mar...

International students attending those events should probably be deported as well. Especially if they're helping to lead or promote them.

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I have a hypothetical. Let's say you attend a rally and give a hate speech and the entire event is live-streamed / recorded for posterity. Can you use "right to forget" laws to impel all sites hosting that video record to blur out your face in the original videos? What's the functional difference to writing a bunch of hate speech with your username and wanting it scrubbed from the "public record" (which I would argue…

Does it really matter if your name isn't connected to your real life identity?

Will that matter in a world of AI? Can't the connection be made - for example based on writing style, political opinions, time of day you post, networks you use, etc etc.
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