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Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by slt2021 »

bcye wrote: post #53
slt2021 wrote: post #40

Germany has no national idea, they have no reason why an average burger should work his/her ass off competing with Chinese/American/Indian scientists and working 80 hr/week on cutting edge research. Germans are smart and capable, but the German lifestyle is not for "super high tech" industry

What is the national idea of the other listed countries in comparison? Also: a "national idea" isn't the only reason people do cutting edge research.

you need an idea in order to mobilize the energy of the population.

German passionary patriotism has been artificially subverted and shut down, and the nation instead has been flooded with non-Germanic elements, thus completely destroying the very definition of German.

Ask any German on the street, and nobody will be able to answer: What defines being a German, who are the Germans, what is their history, and what awaits German people in the future.

Complete void of any ideology, national idea, any energy that could propel the nation in the great leap forward.

Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by slt2021 »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #73
tene80i wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s your proposal? Give up?

We should stop treating any kind of patriotism and German culture like it is from the devil.

I would say Germany needs to redefine what patriotism is. It currently has too many dual passport holders, and people with dual loyalties who do not put the long-term interests of Germany first, but rather consider Germany only as a source of welfare to extract and transfer elsewhere

Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by pixelpoet »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #93
selfmodruntime wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should stop treating any kind of patriotism and German culture like it is from the devil.

Sounds like you kinda just want an excuse to vote AfD without pointing to an element of their policy platform you think the rest of us should support too.

Gruß aus Frankfurt, you really couldn't have proven his point any better if you tried.

Some countries are approximately 50% national flag by surface area, fist pumping and chanting the country's name at every opportunity despite being run by people making Nazi salutes, but "it's okay to like your country's culture" is instantly equated with Nazism? Come on man...

Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by slt2021 »

calmoo wrote: post #129
sockaddr wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having no gun violence and having a higher life expectancy than America is not something to be proud of and not a useful benchmark /s ?

What I mean by this is - is that this is such a low bar - of not having rampant gun violence and short life expectancy, especially when correlating them with GDP. This should not be a point of pride or comparison to beat this bar. Most developed countries in the world achieve more than America on these metrics, therefore it's a useless benchmark.

if America has gun violence, then Germany has car ramming into crowds violence, and both problems have similar roots

Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by slt2021 »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #93
selfmodruntime wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should stop treating any kind of patriotism and German culture like it is from the devil.

Sounds like you kinda just want an excuse to vote AfD without pointing to an element of their policy platform you think the rest of us should support too.

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Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by nisa »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #31
submeta wrote: post #10

Many German companies want „Digitalisierung“, workflow automation, process improvements, they want to use AI, LLMs, but when it comes to implementing all of that, they are drowning in bureaucracy. What Germans can do is create layers of bureaucracy.

The problem is not the bureaucracy. Nobody's stopping a local mid-market manufacturer from automating workflows. Or hindering a utility company from offering a better service process. The problem is corporate leadership. German companies tend to be run by people who are inflexible, uninspired, and cheap. Maybe it's in the culture. Compare this to Austria, where there's a cultural flair for the dramatic (and therefore…

As a German I would love to contradict this but I tend to agree. Bureaucracy isn't such a big deal in my experience - might be different depending what area you are working in - but the leadership culture regarding software is the cause of most of the misery I've seen and I've been involved with.

Cheap as in no investments in people or software quality. Salaries are also not competitive in a lot of places.

Disregard for the user and disregard for usability.

Unfortunately most software shops locked in their customers and the lack of any technical merit pays well and is disconnected from product quality.

Only lots of bankruptcies might help. I have nothing but disdain for these people in leadership.

I've surely not seen all but I've seen enough. It's that bad.

Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by Barrin92 »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #65
pasabagi wrote: post #36

I actually think Germany would be really good at digital infrastructure if they stopped being afraid of friend computer. Germany is immensely proud of its history of creating standards - there's literally a place in berlin called DIN Platz. Germany is also very proud, and rightly so, in its history of mathematical innovation. Everything that isn't dross in the computer world is either a well designed standard, or a w…

> I actually think Germany would be really good at digital infrastructure if they stopped being afraid of friend computer. They still have the automotive / electrical engineering mindset on computers and software. Software in Germany is built to achieve a means to an end. It is never the end goal itself.

>Software in Germany is built to achieve a means to an end. It is never the end goal itself.

Well, that's how it should be, I don't write software to worship any software deities, I use it to get a job done. If you don't you end up with that 700 dollar useless gadget that was basically a python API wrapper in a box that everyone rightfully made fun of.

We can do a lot of things better in software in Germany but treating it as an engineering discipline is a good thing, I think even the US is probably past the peak of the zero interest free money toy product phase and people are focusing more on real industry again.

Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

franze wrote: post #78
whimsicalism wrote: post #74

Surprised to see the negativity in the comments - if executed well, this is exactly the sort of thing governments should be aiming to do: solving social coordination problems and funding with long-term horizons.

*executed well* but first regulated to death

You say that like Germany as a country isn't doing well. I swear, people just stop thinking when it comes to things like this.

Re: Germany creates 'super–high-tech ministry' for research, technology, aerospace

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Post by pmags »

bpodgursky wrote: post #112
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean as opposed to the American national idea of "work or starve, bitch"?

If you ever visited America, it would immediately strike you that no Americans, rich or poor, black or white, are starving. Frankly, we could all use a little more starving.

The actual data about food insecurity from the USDA tells quite a different story:

https://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/pub-details?pubid=1098...

In 2023...13.5 percent (18.0 million households) were food insecure. Food-insecure households (those with low and very low food security) had difficulty at some time during the year providing enough food for all their members because of a lack of resources...5.1 percent of U.S. households (6.8 million households) had very low food security...

Coincidentally, the collection of such detailed and useful data is at risk from the indiscriminate USDA firings.

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