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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by ethbr1 »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #263
ethbr1 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Supreme Court resolutely batted that down 9-0 in a few days. >> The [District Court] order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the…

Yes, that is where my quote came from. From your own quote: > The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. Which is such a ridiculously bullshit line of thought. This wasn't some person who willingly went to some random country, this is someone the executive illegally put there against the person's will in coordinati…

I'm not sure why people obtusely intepret Supreme Court rulings as though they're part of the current administration.

The court is obviously saying that (1) it's correct and necessary to bring him back but that (2) the District Court doesn't have unbridled authority to order any foreign policy-influencing remedy it wants.

I.e. a US court couldn't order a president to sign a treaty

If the administration tries to foot drag further, the Supreme Court will likely order more specific remedies.

By not taking the L here, the administration is just burning whatever conservative goodwill they might have started with on this Supreme Court.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by abeppu »

bawolff wrote: post #326
abeppu wrote: post #268

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... and you're absolutely right, innocent people had basically no recourse when Meta took down their content, or shadow-banned them etc on the claim that they were inciting violence, pro-terrorist, engaging in hate-speech etc. The accused cannot publicly point to their post which merely used a palestinian flag emoji, or mentioned an assassinated writer. The burden should have been much higher for Meta when casting su…

Both of these things can be true.

Sure the burden _should_ be high in both directions.

But the journalists seem to be doing a decent job of announcing and describing the data they have, and confirming it with multiple sources within Meta. They're engaged in a seemingly earnest and forthright effort to make the case. And to the degree that it's limited, it seems those limits are due to Meta itself.

Meta, on the other hand, excepting these whistleblowers, makes very little information available about their take-down actions both at the level of individual cases or at the level of their systematic responses to governments. The whistleblowers claim that Meta regularly took down posts without human review when requested by the Israelis. That's the exact opposite of the high burden of proof that you're asking for.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by ethbr1 »

passive wrote: post #237
ethbr1 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Supreme Court resolutely batted that down 9-0 in a few days. >> The [District Court] order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the…

This order was toothless, and the administration has already flouted it. All John Roberts is doing is asking Trump to go further next time. Whether it's intentional or just cowardice on his part doesn't really matter to the rest of us.

It matter to me, since there are 2-3 conservative justices on the current Supreme Court that are likely to tire of administration excesses.

A long game player might even say Roberts is angling for that, by tailoring consensus opinions that nonetheless leave room for the administration to demonstrate further stupidity.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by tdeck »

garbagewoman wrote: post #363
tdeck wrote: post #220

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They really proved you wrong on this one.

Who is “they”?

When I replied to OP their post had already been flagged and downvoted to nothing. I had to vouch for it as I have seen the same thing.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by janalsncm »

nikkwong wrote: post #351
janalsncm wrote: post #25

So when the government pointed to the disproportionate support for Palestine on TikTok vs Instagram, it was actually because Instagram was suppressing it. It is ironic. https://x.com/hawleymo/status/1717505662601609401

While this may be part of the story, it's certainly not the full picture. We know that the CCP is actively manipulating the algorithm on Tiktok to further their agenda on multiple other geopolitical issues—something we have ample evidence for. I don't know if there is a smoking gun on this one topic in particular, but the CCP's goal has always been to divide the American audience; and we know that older Americans ske…

> something we have ample evidence for

Can you share some of that evidence? My impression from the SCOTUS case is that the government only alleged it could happen, not that it was happening. So I’m a bit surprised to see someone so confidently assert it is happening.

> more likely than not find evidence of algorithm manipulation

I think a lot of people have been looking. For years. Yet you admit there is no smoking gun. Perhaps if we look in the right place we will find Russell’s teapot orbiting Jupiter as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by Viliam1234 »

uniqueuid wrote: post #50
aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mupuff1234 »

basisword wrote: post #310
mupuff1234 wrote: post #187

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Except Hamas took over Gaza in 2006/7 more or less in it's current form, before Netanyahu came back into power at 2009. Hamas has always been an extreme organization, they executed a bunch of Fatah members by throwing them off buildings when they took over gaza, not exactly a fun loving bunch. Sure Netanyahu didn't exactly help to see the least, but saying he is somehow solely responsible for Hamas is pretty biased.

>> Hamas has always been an extreme organization, they executed a bunch of Fatah members by throwing them off buildings when they took over Gaza, not exactly a fun loving bunch. Agreed. And Israel have annihilated over 50,000 Gazans. Not exactly a fun loving bunch.

I didn't say I agree with what Israel is doing so I'm not sure what the point of your comment is.

The truth is that there are zealots on both sides.

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Post by bradlys »

cj wrote: post #314
bradlys wrote: post #304

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At least for all the surveillance the Chinese do - the standard of life is improving overall. We don't even get that shit here in the US. Our life just gets worse by practically every measure as the years go on and we're taken advantage of on top of it.

What benchmark are you using for standard of life?

At the very least, wages for the average citizen. It’s not perfect but at least there’s movement towards building something. What is the US building towards? Enriching billionaires?
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