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Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by square_usual »

nashashmi wrote: post #162
janalsncm wrote: post #25

So when the government pointed to the disproportionate support for Palestine on TikTok vs Instagram, it was actually because Instagram was suppressing it. It is ironic. https://x.com/hawleymo/status/1717505662601609401

Another reason why TikTok has to come under US ownership. How else are we going to censor things when they are under China’s (lack of) control?

And conversely, another reason why Trump's tariffs on China are a bone-headed move. They are not going to sell TikTok while the tariffs last, and the popular demand for it makes banning it a non-starter.

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Post by bawolff »

abeppu wrote: post #91
googlryas wrote: post #13

I'd like to see examples of actual posts that were taken down, rather than talk of the quantity, or who filed the reports.

It sounds like you're using the fact that the posts aren't available for you to view to evaluate as a weakness of the reporting on this suppression campaign, but of course they're not available because of the suppression campaign. Surely the burden should be on the censors to establish clearly that something is in fact incitement to violence, rather than on external reporters to magically show that content which has…

Generally i hold the burden to prove wrong-doing is on the party allegging wrong-doing. Otherwise we get in a situation where it can be effectively impossible for the accused to prove their innocence, as it is much more difficult to prove a negative than a positive.

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Post by square_usual »

dang wrote: post #49
plsbenice34 wrote: post #46

Why is the word Israeli removed from the title? and Meta added? Seems like quite a politically-important modification

Edit: ok you guys, all your responses have convinced me that I misread the room, and I'm going to reverse the title edit now. -- original reply: -- I did those title edits to (marginally) reduce the flamebait effect of the title, in keeping with standard moderation practice (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ). Titles have by far the biggest impact on discussion quality, so this is a big deal. Espe…

FWIW I support this. It's more relevant to HN to talk about Meta, the big tech company, doing something wrong than a nation, regardless of where you stand on this issue.

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Post by submeta »

MaxDPS wrote: post #240
smt88 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is about 0.05% Israeli, so it's not a conspiracy, but Israelis are certainty a much higher proportion of Meta than most other companies and countries outside of Israel.

100/74,000 = 0.00135 or 0.135%

in what positions are these 100 ex IDF soldiers? Just some random frontend developers? Or overseeing community management?

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Post by [deleted] »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

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Post by submeta »

bradlys wrote: post #107
submeta wrote: post #84

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It being only 100 seems kinda low for the size of Meta and how many Israelis live in the Bay Area. There is a very large contingent that lives in Palo Alto and Sunnyvale. They’re nowhere near as large as the Chinese and Indian population but probably close to third place for largest foreign born tech worker populace in SV.

in what positions are these 100 ex IDF soldiers? Just some random frontend developers? Or overseeing community management?

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

shihab wrote: post #204

"Meta has complied with 94% of takedown requests issued by Israel...Meta removed over 90,000 posts to comply with TDRs submitted by the Israeli government in an average of 30 seconds...All of the Israeli government’s TDRs post-October 7th contain the exact same complaint text, according to the leaked information, regardless of the substance of the underlying content being challenged. Sources said that not a single Is…

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by bawolff »

janalsncm wrote: post #243
bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

If you have valid rules but in practice only enforce them against a single group, then in some sense you are asking the wrong question. In other words, for people who assume rule enforcement is supposed to be fair, they see unfair enforcement as hypocrisy. However, if you just see enforcement as another tool to wield against enemies, hypocrisy is irrelevant. What matters is power. It’s my basketball, I make the rules…

> If you have valid rules but in practice only enforce them against a single group

I'd agree. Is there any evidence that that is happening here? The article reports on israeli take down requests but does not report on take down requests from other groups. Meta could very well be using the same rules against pro-israel groups, we just dont know because the leak didn't include that information.

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Post by throwing_away »

ath3nd wrote: post #158
uniqueuid wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

> You’re not arrested for posting this Your funds might be cut off though: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/07/trump-... Or your president might declare a wartime law to deport all the immigrants: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp34ylep987o Or you, a honors student (but not a citizen) might find yourself in an unmarked van if you dared to question the powers that be. https://www.bbc.com/news/arti…

It's not unreasonable to see the situation as "Then they came for the Jews, and the administration finally deported the people who were coming for the Jews".

The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life.

I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring.

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Post by rozap »

uniqueuid wrote: post #50
aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

He could have his visa revoked though.
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