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Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Vim has snippets too. I'm sure there's an Eclipse/Visual Studio plugin that provides the same functionality. There's really nothing revolutionary in here.

Vim does have snippets, the plugin is called snip-mate. Why do you suppose that is? ;)

Vim had abbreviations way before TextMate has been created. Think about that.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Community effects can never bring a poor technology to the top. They can keep a great technology from overtaking a good technology, though. But TextMate's success was not only from the community support, but also from its capabilities. Snippets were one of its cool features, for example, that helped it gain success.

Vim has snippets too. I'm sure there's an Eclipse/Visual Studio plugin that provides the same functionality. There's really nothing revolutionary in here.

Doesn't matter, you'd still have to learn Vim first.

Textmate is about bringing unix and scripting power to people who don't have time to learn an esoteric system

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Awesome! Can someone comment on how probable it would be to port it to linux (and windows)?

Regarding raw text editing, Notepad++ (on Windows) is vastly better than TM.

Good thing Textmate has never set out to be "The best raw text editor" then.

And really who cares how some Windows program with a fraction of features and capabilities is compared to a Mac app

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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It won so many adopters because it was simple and pretty. The advanced features are great, but TM won because it didn't have Emacs/Vim learning curve, and it mostly just worked.

VIM learning curve.. It takes 2 hours (at least it did for me 8 years ago) to go through vimtutor, which means you can do all the basic stuff like with any editor. That's it. From that point you can stay or go how ever far you want. From using the editor "the notepad level", go nuts by building a database of key shortcuts and commands in your head. Is 2 hours a considerably "steep learning curve" for the thing you ar…

2 hours? Once thing is reading a tutorial in that time and another is use vim without having to think to enter command mode and moving around comfortably.

I use vim daily and it's my editor of choice (so far, at least), but it needs commitment and time to get use to the modal system and to be used without feeling that is absolutely broken. After 8 years I'm sure it feels very natural (as it feels now to me), but I sure remember that it took me time to get use to it. It's not just reading a tutorial...

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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> I don't get what you mean by "if there is still enough interest". If you wanted a particular feature or change, couldn't you just fork Textmate and then implement it? No, I could not. 1) I have other things to do than building my own tools. I work creating _stuff_, not creating tools. 2) You assume I have spare time to delve into the code of a project, understand the whole structure and add a feature --which might…

Sorry, I didn't mean to attack you or anything. I'm just praising the model and abilities of open-source and how much power it gives to the user. I'm extending this idea of rolling your own code to anything/everything open-source, not just text editors. If you're playing a game, or using a webapp and there's some feature or pain point you want to add... well now writing it yourself is an option! Don't get me wrong, I…

>Sorry, I didn't mean to attack you or anything.

Oh, no problem, I didn't get that impression.

>I'm just praising the model and abilities of open-source and how much power it gives to the user.

Well, what I'm tried to say it that much of this is "potential" power and not actual. It takes a community or at least several interested programmers to actualise it. Else, it's just the same as if the user didn't have the option at all.

>But you can't tell me that having the option to do so isn't so freaking awesome. Would you prefer abandonware instead?

No, sure, Open Source is better than closed source abandon-ware. Only pointing it that open source can be abandon-ware too (tons of abandoned projects on SourceForge and GitHub -- and not all for lack of interested users, mainly for lack of interested programmers).

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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> I don't think one person would make a case study Actually, that is the definition of a case study.

32 points?! I have far better comments with way less karma. This, for example, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4358718

Even HN isn't immune to the problems of a karma system, whereby long detailed comments get tl;dr, and karma is as much affected by visibility as quality. A quick throwaway reply to something that ends up at the top of a post on the front page can easily gain as much karma as a long detailed reply at a later date.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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post #89

If we are completely honest, Textmate was always a sub-par editor. No Vim or Emacs style brilliantness, no BBEdit style tons of features and mature engine, no IntelliJ like, er, intelligence, no ST2 comprehensiveness, etc etc. Plus, the Textmate 1.x text engine was probably a mess too -- I remember the very first versions being laggy (and that's coming from someone who doesn't find even Eclipse laggy). That he couldn…

Regardless of whether TM deserved its success, its time has past. I took this as a reminder to finally delete the binary from my Mac. Sublime all the way, and without irritating licensing restrictions.
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