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Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by ThePherocity »

danellis wrote: post #172
LoonyPandora wrote: post #13

It doesn't appear to be a code-dump to GitHub, which would be indicative of fading interest on behalf of the original developer. The ReadMe, build process, and licensing instructions all point towards this being a well planned Open Sourcing of a product. I'm pleased with this, and hopefully it will spur development of TM2, allowing it to truly compete with the up-and-coming Sublime Text 2.

> It doesn't appear to be a code-dump to GitHub It does appear to be, because there's no history -- everything is "Initial commit".

If I were to release any of our internal code to be open source, I would do the same. Nobody really needs to know I get lazy on EVERY Friday afternoon and check everything in as WIP.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by jolohaga »

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #107
emehrkay wrote: post #38

I've been using Textmate 2 for the past week or so and I still prefer 1 + missing drawer. For me, the only thing Textmate 1 is missing are split views (something 2 is missing as well). I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is. Am I one of the only Textmate users who feel that Sublime isn't the right "upgrade"? I much p…

ST2 is native enough for me and cross-platform should be on the list of every programmer's requirements for a text editor. I use Vim on OS X right now and I like it but used ST2 just yesterday (odd timing). I agree with others that it is basically the TM2 we were waiting for.

Why should a cross-platform editor be important? Any job I do these days allows me to work in my preferred system. The code is just ASCII and it can be shared easily.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by cowpewter »

jwarzech wrote: post #167
nsomething wrote: post #152

Maybe now I can add my own "replace" button in the Find Dialog of TextMate 2. The only button there for me is "replace all" Does anyone else have that issue?

I haven't used TM2 since it was first released however if its like TM1 'Replace' only appears on the single file find (cmd+f) and is not available on the find in project (shift+cmd+f) dialog.

In the Find in Project (in TM1, I've not used 2), just cmd-click to select the found instances you want to replace, and the Replace All button because Replace Selected

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by jolohaga »

emehrkay wrote: post #38

I've been using Textmate 2 for the past week or so and I still prefer 1 + missing drawer. For me, the only thing Textmate 1 is missing are split views (something 2 is missing as well). I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is. Am I one of the only Textmate users who feel that Sublime isn't the right "upgrade"? I much p…

I agree. Sublime is targeting cross-platform compatibility. To me that's diluting the virtues of all the systems it works on. It's not the best editor for Mac OS X, it's not the best editor for UNIX. It's not the best editor for Windows.

I prefer stronger opinion with an editor. I don't care if you have an awesome editor that only works on Windows as long as I have an awesome editor that works on my preferred OS.

Awesomeness is what editors should be about. I have to work with it all day long, it better be.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by jolohaga »

ChiperSoft wrote: post #98
emehrkay wrote: post #38

I've been using Textmate 2 for the past week or so and I still prefer 1 + missing drawer. For me, the only thing Textmate 1 is missing are split views (something 2 is missing as well). I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is. Am I one of the only Textmate users who feel that Sublime isn't the right "upgrade"? I much p…

I too still prefer TM1.5. TM2's UI is, quite simply, horrendous. That sidebar looks like something from the OS9 days. This combined with the changes to the menus and the change from ATSUI to CoreText rendering engine results in an app that quite simply isn't TextMate. If I'm going to be moving away from TextMate as I know it, it's going to be to something better, not TextMate's uglier brother. I tried ST2 for a month…

I'll need to give Chocolat a look. Also, seeking not so much a replacement for Textmate as a product with a promising future. (I don't think this would be news if Textmate were going in a productive direction.)

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by ThePherocity »

theshadow wrote: post #232
techiferous wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Community effects can never bring a poor technology to the top. They can keep a great technology from overtaking a good technology, though. But TextMate's success was not only from the community support, but also from its capabilities. Snippets were one of its cool features, for example, that helped it gain success.

Vim has snippets too. I'm sure there's an Eclipse/Visual Studio plugin that provides the same functionality. There's really nothing revolutionary in here.

Vim does have snippets, the plugin is called snip-mate. Why do you suppose that is? ;)

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by antihero »

zekel wrote: post #247
tterrace wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My point is that I need to be philosophically aligned with my editor's developer. This is taking things a bit too far, I think. If you're a one platform kind of person the most important thing should be "How well does it work on (my platform)?".

You're right, that is absolutely the most important thing. But as we've seen with TM, the way the project is run is really important too. It's a totally self-centered sentiment to say I wish my editor development to be exclusive to my platform, but it would certainly result in a better app for me to use. Luckily my preferences have nothing to do with the outcome, much like the weather.

Well, depending on preference and opinion, a Linux desktop can arguably be better than OSX for development. I applaud that they have a Linux version.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by veidr »

guan wrote: post #85
samgranieri wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no its not. We've probably gotten a good solid 4 years usage out of textmate1 before we moved to Sublime or Vim

Just looked up my TextMate order email. I bought it almost 8 years ago, on October 6 2004, and received license #36.

I bought in Jan 5, 2006. I never preferred it as a text editor, but Odgaard mentioned on the MacBS list that the licenses were sequential, so I wanted to see how much a trendy one-man Mac text editor sold. My license was #4814, which means he probably grossed about $250k over those first two years.

A year later, I bought it again... that time my license number was #37475. (Though I think at that point it had been in various promotions and bundles, so who knows how much $ it translates to.)

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by antihero »

jolohaga wrote: post #254
emehrkay wrote: post #38

I've been using Textmate 2 for the past week or so and I still prefer 1 + missing drawer. For me, the only thing Textmate 1 is missing are split views (something 2 is missing as well). I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is. Am I one of the only Textmate users who feel that Sublime isn't the right "upgrade"? I much p…

I agree. Sublime is targeting cross-platform compatibility. To me that's diluting the virtues of all the systems it works on. It's not the best editor for Mac OS X, it's not the best editor for UNIX. It's not the best editor for Windows. I prefer stronger opinion with an editor. I don't care if you have an awesome editor that only works on Windows as long as I have an awesome editor that works on my preferred OS. Awe…

No fucking way, you don't always control the environment you work on, and sometimes you want to switch OS without losing your tools. Sublime Text 2 gives you the freedom to do this. And Sublime is completely awesome on every platform.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by flocial »

batista wrote: post #89

If we are completely honest, Textmate was always a sub-par editor. No Vim or Emacs style brilliantness, no BBEdit style tons of features and mature engine, no IntelliJ like, er, intelligence, no ST2 comprehensiveness, etc etc. Plus, the Textmate 1.x text engine was probably a mess too -- I remember the very first versions being laggy (and that's coming from someone who doesn't find even Eclipse laggy). That he couldn…

Everyone has a right to their opinion but "No Vim or Emacs style brilliantness" followed by "I don't think Textmate deserved all that success --it should have happened to a better editor." doesn't really make sense does it?

What TextMate did do was act as a nice gateway drug to Vim and Emacs for many developers and also paved the way for other editors like SublimeText to prosper. Who would have thought that a one-man text editor startup on a single platform could actually be financially viable?

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