Is it wrong of me to be a little miffed that I paid $50, admittedly a long time ago, for Textmate?
And you got Textmate a long time ago. And yes, your upgrade to Textmate 2 was free. So it's a bit wrong of you to think you were bamboozled.
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Textmate2 Goes Open Source
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Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source
#32Is it wrong of me to be a little miffed that I paid $50, admittedly a long time ago, for Textmate?
I paid for Textmate too, for Textmate I. That being said, I'm sad that the development of Textmate has come to an end. Switching to another editor sooner or later won't be easy.
I recently also switched to Sublime Text 2, and while there are still a couple of hiccups, overall it has been an awesome editor to use. It's global search is blindingly fast, saving me tons of time while developing. Definitely recommend switching when you have a few hours of free time.
Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
This doesn't really explain much. The way TextMate2 was going, I'd bet it's something like, it wasn't getting done, and the author was too busy or uninterested to continue, so open sourcing it probably is a way that it may actually ever get finished.
You don't think it has anything to do with Sandboxing requirements in the App Store and Mountain Lion having an option not to allow non-App Store applications? I'm seriously asking, not trying to start a flame war here.
Marco talked about the current status of TM2 on Build and Analyze a few weeks ago[1], and from what he said, it sounds like it has some structural performance problems that weren't getting addressed. In addition, he said that requests for bug fixes and features were constantly getting rejected by the developer, which to me hints at either a loss in interest in the project, or a lack of time to devote to developing it.
Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well it's all in Obj-C, so either a non-OS X Obj-C compilation tool or rewrite it out all out of Obj-C. Doable, but I don't think many people will be queuing up for the task.
Erm, Objective-C probably isn't the problem, even NeXt used gcc for that (not sure how much of the current feature bloat isn't in copyrighted libraries). But GNUStep isn't exactly up to par with Cocoa, never mind not exactly the default desktop environment. Porting the whole editor from Obj-C++/Cocoa to C++/KDE or C/Gtk would be a pretty huge task, where you'd better off starting from scratch anyway (as with a lot of…
Don't quote me on this but I don't think the later versions of Obj-C run on gcc, but llvm/clang. Whilst thats available outside the Mac realm it depends on whether it's specifically modified.
But yeah, you're right the Cocoa aspects are the bigger overhead, I should have been more clear.
Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source
#35I am not sure how to read the statement by Allan Odgaard. It does not include any hint on the future of Textmate: Has Textmate become open source abandonware or does Allan Odgaard intend to lead the future development of Textmate as an open source? The latter would of course be great, the former rather sad from a user perspective since most former closed source apps do not survive for long after a switch to open sour…
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Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source
#36Is it wrong of me to be a little miffed that I paid $50, admittedly a long time ago, for Textmate?
Slightly, yes.
If you program for your day job you're using your editor something like 2,000 hours a year. I paid for TextMate something like 5 years ago... given that I used it for approaching 10,000 hours since then...
A text editor and a computer have such an amazing return on investment it makes anything else pale in comparison. Even if you're paid $50,000 per year, your $50 investment into TextMate made you $250,000... or paid for itself 500 time over. (Edit: Sorry, I mean 5,000 times over.)
Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source
#37Well TextMate was cool while it lasted. Good thing I switched to Sublime Text 2 a week ago.
So you think open-sourcing is a death sentence? Care to share your reasons? (genuine question)
Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source
#38I've been using Textmate 2 for the past week or so and I still prefer 1 + missing drawer. For me, the only thing Textmate 1 is missing are split views (something 2 is missing as well).
I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is.
Am I one of the only Textmate users who feel that Sublime isn't the right "upgrade"? I much prefer Chocolat or Vico as they feel more like native OS X applications.
Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source
#39Awesome! Can someone comment on how probable it would be to port it to linux (and windows)?
there's E the text editor, which the last time i checked was a TM1 clone
Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
And you got Textmate a long time ago. And yes, your upgrade to Textmate 2 was free. So it's a bit wrong of you to think you were bamboozled.
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You can't currently pay for version 2 - it's in alpha, and isn't close to being released. And, as mentioned above, owners of version 1 were automatically supposed to get a license for Textmate2.