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Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by tincholio »

zekel wrote: post #197
homosaur wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that settings are in a text file that I can easily sync is a GOOD thing. I don't have to rely on some godawful third party service to sync settings, I can just export them to Dropbox or throw them on a Git repo. This is one of the many things people love about Vim too, that you can set up your editor in a minute instead of trawling through GUI menus.

While flat files are a good thing, that doesn't preclude having a good interface in your app that lets you edit them. Furthermore, that is not an unfair expectation for an app that wants to be considered a good Mac citizen. The last bit is in response to the parent post by frou_dh: I feel ST2 is healthily past "good enough" as a Mac application.

> that doesn't preclude having a good interface in your app that lets you edit them.

I've never ued ST, but it being an text editor, you'd think that they would have _that_ down right, FFS

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by zekel »

cicloid wrote: post #64
SmileyKeith wrote: post #14

Well TextMate was cool while it lasted. Good thing I switched to Sublime Text 2 a week ago.

People love the product, mostly passionate people. Who still use TextMate. Maybe some of them could step up and do some pull requests.

That we're having this discussion about a text editor that hasn't seen a real release in around six years (not counting the TM2 beta) is a testament to the enthusiasm. I'm hopeful and optimistic.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by Derbasti »

emehrkay wrote: post #38

I've been using Textmate 2 for the past week or so and I still prefer 1 + missing drawer. For me, the only thing Textmate 1 is missing are split views (something 2 is missing as well). I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is. Am I one of the only Textmate users who feel that Sublime isn't the right "upgrade"? I much p…

Don't you miss chunked undo? Incremental regex search and replace? Those were my main reasons to look for alternatives, back in the day. I have not looked back, ever.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by motiejus »

kennystone wrote: post #122
batista wrote: post #89

If we are completely honest, Textmate was always a sub-par editor. No Vim or Emacs style brilliantness, no BBEdit style tons of features and mature engine, no IntelliJ like, er, intelligence, no ST2 comprehensiveness, etc etc. Plus, the Textmate 1.x text engine was probably a mess too -- I remember the very first versions being laggy (and that's coming from someone who doesn't find even Eclipse laggy). That he couldn…

It won so many adopters because it was simple and pretty. The advanced features are great, but TM won because it didn't have Emacs/Vim learning curve, and it mostly just worked.

VIM learning curve.. It takes 2 hours (at least it did for me 8 years ago) to go through vimtutor, which means you can do all the basic stuff like with any editor. That's it. From that point you can stay or go how ever far you want. From using the editor "the notepad level", go nuts by building a database of key shortcuts and commands in your head.

Is 2 hours a considerably "steep learning curve" for the thing you are going to look at and interact with 8 hours/day, 40 days/week, for the rest of your engineering career?

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by jdonaldson »

jdonaldson wrote: post #196
batista wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "brilliantness"? Are you kidding? Have you worked with vimscript? Oh well, at the risk of feeding a troll... No, I haven't worked with vimscript. What does it have to do with anything? Vim/vi is a brilliant piece of editor software, with a solid concept (an editing language, the dual modes etc). And it is in continuous use for 30+ years now. Does anybody disagree with that? Now,vimscript being crap, or even it bein…

vimscript/viml, which is the basis of extending vim, regularly shows up as one of the worst languages to work with. http://geeksta.net/geeklog/exploring-expressions-emotions-gi... vim is great, but most of its great features are at the end of a very difficult (but necessary) learning curve. The learning curve for developing plugins is even steeper (and unnecessarily so). In contrast, most people can pick up and use t…

> You've never used Emacs, have you?

I'm talking about light weight editors that support light weight scripting in a number of different languages. I consider emacs to be more IDE-like. That's admittedly a weak distinction though.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by 0x09 »

willurd wrote: post #175

I don't understand the negativity being shown towards TextMate in this thread. This thread is about an extremely popular editor going open source, something people have been asking for for a long time and something we should all be THRILLED about, regardless of whether we use it. Can we save the editor wars for another thread and maybe, just maybe, actually talk about the code?

I'm personally super excited. Ever since reading this[1] blog post I've wanted to cobble together an editor with some level of libclang integration, but the amount of wheel reinvention involved kept it an idle idea. As a TM user already, having the codebase available is way more than I could've asked for.

[1] http://etoileos.com/news/archive/2010/10/15/1401/

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

acdha wrote: post #179
TylerE wrote: post #29

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I suspect the success of SublimeText was a big part of it too. Everything TM2 promised - today, and cross-platform to boot.

Well, except for the slick UI and TextMate's still ahead on features & bundles. ST2 is promising but it's too early to call this race.

I don't see how TM2's UI differs in any meaningful way to say it looks nicer than ST2

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by FuzzyDunlop »

equalarrow wrote: post #183
patrickg wrote: post #145

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Yes, the mixed mode editing, tabs and the great snippets were killer features for me to switch from 10 years emacs to TM1.

Yah, same here. I still have the muscle memory for emacs and I've gone back a few times and tried it, but honestly, the configuration was such a pain in the ass. I have .emacs files from long ago, but I tried a few months back bringing it up to date along the lines of TM1 and after about 15 mins, I just said forget it. TM1 out of the box had all my web dev needs already there. Plus, tabs worked great. The only things…

As an aside, I believe there's a textmate package for emacs.

http://code.google.com/p/emacs-textmate/

No idea how well it works, but I suppose the only major difference in some respects is having to use Ctrl/Alt/Esc instead of Command.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by [deleted] »

zekel wrote: post #212
cicloid wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People love the product, mostly passionate people. Who still use TextMate. Maybe some of them could step up and do some pull requests.

That we're having this discussion about a text editor that hasn't seen a real release in around six years (not counting the TM2 beta) is a testament to the enthusiasm. I'm hopeful and optimistic.

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