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Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by unreal37 »

humblepie wrote: post #76
thejerz wrote: post #53

I don't want to pick on Allan Odgaard, but I think the way he's handled the TM2 project is pretty bad. Allen is a great guy and I love TM. However, here are some facts. TM2 has taken SIX YEARS. It was "90% done" 2009. This is a living, breathing case study in why quick customer-driven releases are better than "big upfront plans" and "giant system rewrites." Anyone who has developed a major application knows what I'm…

I don't think one person would make a case study. Whatever his reason is, it would be a very specific personal reason. A case study of this will be just be like profiling a patient in a lab.

Sorry, your comment made me laugh. Yes, one example does indeed make a case study. It may not be scientific proof of a theory however.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by sovande »

alwillis wrote: post #136
sovande wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Browsing through the code, Objective-C seems to be used for the UI, but the guts of the code (the Frameworks directory) is in C++. I have mixed feelings about TextMate going open source. If QuickSilver is any indication, it will now definitely take forever for a new release. Dang! and I seriously don't like ST2.

Actually, Quicksilver gets updates on a regular basis; it's now 64-bit and Mountain Lion compatible: http://blog.qsapp.com/post/27968374731/mountain-lion-is-upon... .

I know and it's great, but from Alcor released QS as open source until it was picked up and new proper releases started to emerge, it took 2-3 years? So waiting 6 + 2 years (in the best case) for TM2 is too long even for me. RIP TM2.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by fromhet »

ralfd wrote: post #132
LoonyPandora wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how long ago you paid for it, but I paid £35 for my license 3 years and 1 day ago (August 8th, 2009) 3 years of use from a product, plus we now have the almost-guaranteed support and speedier development because of it's Open Source nature. I think it was worth the money. If you paid for it last week, I can understand frustration.

> plus we now have the almost-guaranteed support and speedier development because of it's Open Source nature I am more pessimistic. I think the project died and open sourcing will just reanimate it to undead Zombie status.

Because it's developement were happening at a rapid pace before the releasing of the code?

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by zekel »

shurane wrote: post #86
sovande wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Browsing through the code, Objective-C seems to be used for the UI, but the guts of the code (the Frameworks directory) is in C++. I have mixed feelings about TextMate going open source. If QuickSilver is any indication, it will now definitely take forever for a new release. Dang! and I seriously don't like ST2.

It's better than nothing. The lack of activity means the author isn't very interested in continuing the project. But you can find another lead developer to run the project, at least. That's the merit of open-source.

I believe the TM developer is still very interested. I believe he thinks this is the best way to get TM moving again.

That's just my opinion. Time (and commits) will tell.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by robmil »

eblume wrote: post #155
ryanisinallofus wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ST2 is native enough for me and cross-platform should be on the list of every programmer's requirements for a text editor. I use Vim on OS X right now and I like it but used ST2 just yesterday (odd timing). I agree with others that it is basically the TM2 we were waiting for.

If you haven't heard of it, ST2 has something called "Vintage Mode" which adopts a fairly large subset of the Vi/m commands. It will completely change the command set of ST2 and gets close enough to Vi for most of my needs. Notably absent is the search/replace syntax of vim, but ST2's works well enough I suppose.

Vintage mode is admittedly getting more complete every day, but as a regular Vim user the absences that exist are often a jolting distraction — attempting to use some command that doesn't exist jerks you out of your flow and it feels so inefficient to then have to remember the Sublime way of doing things.

I find it more annoying than the lack of, say, Cmd + T in MacVim, so I've found myself spending more and more time using that — even after a concerted effort to use SublimeText for a while.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by zekel »

guelo wrote: post #178
bostonvaulter2 wrote: post #166

I'm confused as to how he could ever sell Textmate2 if he's linking against ragel, a GPL library. Well of course he could sell it but he'd have to release the source.

It's not uncommon for a business to sell GPL software with support while making the uncompiled unsupported code available.

Though I don't think it's common for editors, especially Mac editors?

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by zekel »

electic wrote: post #103

I think this is the right move. In my opinion, TextMate is not that great to ST2 or some other editors. Hopefully, it being open-source can get it closer to being on par. All I can say is thank god I never bought previous versions of TextMate and went with great alternatives.

On the other hand, I am very happy to have given him my money and supported the development of (what I think is) a fantastic editor.

Even though he said he would make TM2 a free upgrade, my plan was always to buy another copy to show my support.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by albertzeyer »

weaksauce wrote: post #72
obilgic wrote: post #54

where can i download the precompiled app?

His website still has the binary on it.

Where?

On http://macromates.com/ I just see a download to a 30 day trial version of TextMate 1.5.11.

After googling, I found http://blog.macromates.com/2011/textmate-2-0-alpha/ which is from 2011 and provides a TextMate 2.0 alpha (r8930) download which also requires a licence key.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by tincholio »

jdonaldson wrote: post #196
batista wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "brilliantness"? Are you kidding? Have you worked with vimscript? Oh well, at the risk of feeding a troll... No, I haven't worked with vimscript. What does it have to do with anything? Vim/vi is a brilliant piece of editor software, with a solid concept (an editing language, the dual modes etc). And it is in continuous use for 30+ years now. Does anybody disagree with that? Now,vimscript being crap, or even it bein…

vimscript/viml, which is the basis of extending vim, regularly shows up as one of the worst languages to work with. http://geeksta.net/geeklog/exploring-expressions-emotions-gi... vim is great, but most of its great features are at the end of a very difficult (but necessary) learning curve. The learning curve for developing plugins is even steeper (and unnecessarily so). In contrast, most people can pick up and use t…

> In a sense, textmate changed the nature of what an editor was about. I think extensions are a large part of an editor's value now.

You've never used Emacs, have you?

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by zekel »

owenjones wrote: post #7

Is it wrong of me to be a little miffed that I paid $50, admittedly a long time ago, for Textmate?

I don't know about you, but TM has long been the sharpest knife in my tool drawer for a long time. To me it's worth multiples of its $50 price tag.
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