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Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by cobralibre »

lloeki wrote: post #133
LoonyPandora wrote: post #13

It doesn't appear to be a code-dump to GitHub, which would be indicative of fading interest on behalf of the original developer. The ReadMe, build process, and licensing instructions all point towards this being a well planned Open Sourcing of a product. I'm pleased with this, and hopefully it will spur development of TM2, allowing it to truly compete with the up-and-coming Sublime Text 2.

> the up-and-coming Sublime Text 2 Sublime Text 2 has been released since later this June[0] [0] http://www.sublimetext.com/blog/articles/sublime-text-2-0-re...

You're confusing up-and-coming, meaning "showing promise", with upcoming, meaning "forthcoming".

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by MikeKusold »

Camillo wrote: post #137
frou_dh wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel ST2 is healthily past "good enough" as a Mac application. For examples of punting on that responsibility completely, look at JetBrains stuff or MonoDevelop.

I really want to like ST2, because it seems to have the fastest text engine of the current crop of editors; but as a Mac application, it's just barely better than Emacs. 1) The GUI is incomplete: look at the preferences, for instance. To change a setting, you have to open the defaults settings file, find the setting you want, copy it into a different file (user settings), and change it there. Actually, I take it back…

I have no issues with the settings. They are well documented and can easily be transferred from computer to computer. This is an editor targeted at developers, and as such I think we are capable of editing a config file.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#143

Post by ralfd »

JulianWasTaken wrote: post #5
umjames wrote: post #3

Blog post explaining why: http://blog.macromates.com/2012/textmate-2-at-github/

This doesn't really explain much. The way TextMate2 was going, I'd bet it's something like, it wasn't getting done, and the author was too busy or uninterested to continue, so open sourcing it probably is a way that it may actually ever get finished.

> This doesn't really explain much.

There is a tiny bit more info on the mailing list:

http://lists.macromates.com/textmate/2012-August/035206.html http://lists.macromates.com/textmate/2012-August/035208.html

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> This is very cool, but it calls into question what your plans are for future commercial development (by you and your team) of TM2. Is it a dead parrot?

I will remain active working on TextMate and I hope we can still sell some licenses even though people can now do their own build (w/o any license enforcement).

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> @allan will you (or do you now) work for someone then?

I’m still my own boss and I don’t plan for that to change :)

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Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#144

Post by lloeki »

cobralibre wrote: post #141
lloeki wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the up-and-coming Sublime Text 2 Sublime Text 2 has been released since later this June[0] [0] http://www.sublimetext.com/blog/articles/sublime-text-2-0-re...

You're confusing up-and-coming , meaning "showing promise", with upcoming , meaning "forthcoming".

Thanks, I'm not a native english speaker so I misunderstood the idiomatic expression's true meaning.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#145

Post by patrickg »

xyzzyb wrote: post #114
batista wrote: post #89

If we are completely honest, Textmate was always a sub-par editor. No Vim or Emacs style brilliantness, no BBEdit style tons of features and mature engine, no IntelliJ like, er, intelligence, no ST2 comprehensiveness, etc etc. Plus, the Textmate 1.x text engine was probably a mess too -- I remember the very first versions being laggy (and that's coming from someone who doesn't find even Eclipse laggy). That he couldn…

I think you're either forgetting, or never directly experienced, how much nicer TextMate was (and is) for dealing with files that mix different languages. PHP/HTML, Javascript/HTML, CSS/HTML, etc. TextMate automatically detects the language shifts and modifies syntax highlighting and snippet shortcuts. This was huge. No more jumping from PHP mode to HTML mode to JavaScript mode: it just worked.

Yes, the mixed mode editing, tabs and the great snippets were killer features for me to switch from 10 years emacs to TM1.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#146

Post by alxp »

jlgreco wrote: post #95
Goronmon wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a terrible way to measure utility, there are so many other factors to consider. I use my keyboard for work constantly, but it is not worth more than maybe $10 to me. I'd say his measurement of utility makes a lot more sense than yours.

I can grab 5 to 10 more keyboards just like the one I am using right now for free. No history of use is going to bump the value of this keyboard. It is a piece of infinitely replaceable crap that bends like a paperback book.

And if you get RSI from always using a bargain basement keyboard then the utility gotten from paying extra for an ergonomic one would be lost.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#147

Post by eblume »

lloeki wrote: post #144
cobralibre wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're confusing up-and-coming , meaning "showing promise", with upcoming , meaning "forthcoming".

Thanks, I'm not a native english speaker so I misunderstood the idiomatic expression's true meaning.

To be fair, that is a particularly idiotic idiom.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by batista »

sblom wrote: post #134
batista wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't get what you mean by "if there is still enough interest". If you wanted a particular feature or change, couldn't you just fork Textmate and then implement it? No, I could not. 1) I have other things to do than building my own tools. I work creating _stuff_, not creating tools. 2) You assume I have spare time to delve into the code of a project, understand the whole structure and add a feature --which might…

If your effort spent on tools speeds up your time-to-stuff, then the assumptions embodied in 1) are invalid. Besides, with open source you have more than just the original developer on whom you can use cash to entice him to make your favorite changes.

>If your effort spent on tools speeds up your time-to-stuff, then the assumptions embodied in 1) are invalid.

Effort spent on tools != effort spend on adding some feature I'd like on a programmer's editor. I could just switch to something better.

Plus, you probably overestimate how more productive a tool like a programmer's editor makes you.

The truth is an editor can make editing less repetitive, but it's not like an order of magnitude better. Not even 2x or 3x more productive. Thing is, there are very successful programmers using all kinds of editors, from Emacs and Vim to Eclipse (notch), to Textmate, to Notepad++. And tons of classic unix programs, including C and Unix itself, were written in ed or similar primitive editors.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#150

Post by jlgreco »

alxp wrote: post #146
jlgreco wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can grab 5 to 10 more keyboards just like the one I am using right now for free. No history of use is going to bump the value of this keyboard. It is a piece of infinitely replaceable crap that bends like a paperback book.

And if you get RSI from always using a bargain basement keyboard then the utility gotten from paying extra for an ergonomic one would be lost.

...I am not advocating cheap keyboards. I am saying that you cannot offset paying too much for a cheap keyboard by using it more often.
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