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Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by gurkendoktor »

batista wrote: post #89

If we are completely honest, Textmate was always a sub-par editor. No Vim or Emacs style brilliantness, no BBEdit style tons of features and mature engine, no IntelliJ like, er, intelligence, no ST2 comprehensiveness, etc etc. Plus, the Textmate 1.x text engine was probably a mess too -- I remember the very first versions being laggy (and that's coming from someone who doesn't find even Eclipse laggy). That he couldn…

More saving graces for TextMate 1 even today: It is right at home on OS X and also acknowledges the usefulness of UNIX. / It has no learning curve. / It requires zero configuration to be perfectly usable. / The shortcuts are as intuitive as it gets. / The only shortcut that I found weird was "cmd+T", and that one has been widely copied.

If you say that another editor should have been as successful, then what do you mean? That TextMate users have never heard of vim, emacs or ST2? That developers have been lazy and should have out-done TextMate (which ST2 arguably did)? I think this as clear of a deserved success as it gets - it's a programmer's editor and people decided it was the best one to program in.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by chrisrhoden »

ChiperSoft wrote: post #106
glhaynes wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original TextMate isn't on the App Store and I'd have to think the number of people who go into the Security settings and disallow running of non-App Store signed binaries is vanishingly small.

That setting only changes the ability to launch an app right after download by double clicking it. It doesn't actually prevent the program from running, you just have to take more steps to launch it the first time. However TM is being kept out of the app store for other reasons, such as it's ability to prompt for an administrator password to allow writing to protected files.

Yeah, this is not true. There is a separate setting which controls a pop-up confirming whether or not you want to run an app that you downloaded, the first time you attempt to run it. The setting referred to here actually BLOCKS the running of new non-app-store (or, by default, non-signed) applications.

http://imgur.com/7bduA

Apparently, you can alt-click and select open, but my gut tells me that this was an oversight and will not last long. This feature was touted as a potential way to protect children, and if overriding it doesn't even require entering a password it fails at that pretty badly.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by ChiperSoft »

xentronium wrote: post #77

Am I the only one surprised by total lack of history in the repository?

Considering the age of the project it probably wasn't being managed in git to begin with. I've seen some estimates that Allan started development around 2006. Git only came out in 2005 and took a few years to gain traction.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by xyzzyb »

batista wrote: post #89

If we are completely honest, Textmate was always a sub-par editor. No Vim or Emacs style brilliantness, no BBEdit style tons of features and mature engine, no IntelliJ like, er, intelligence, no ST2 comprehensiveness, etc etc. Plus, the Textmate 1.x text engine was probably a mess too -- I remember the very first versions being laggy (and that's coming from someone who doesn't find even Eclipse laggy). That he couldn…

I think you're either forgetting, or never directly experienced, how much nicer TextMate was (and is) for dealing with files that mix different languages. PHP/HTML, Javascript/HTML, CSS/HTML, etc. TextMate automatically detects the language shifts and modifies syntax highlighting and snippet shortcuts. This was huge. No more jumping from PHP mode to HTML mode to JavaScript mode: it just worked.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by rpwilcox »

batista wrote: post #89

If we are completely honest, Textmate was always a sub-par editor. No Vim or Emacs style brilliantness, no BBEdit style tons of features and mature engine, no IntelliJ like, er, intelligence, no ST2 comprehensiveness, etc etc. Plus, the Textmate 1.x text engine was probably a mess too -- I remember the very first versions being laggy (and that's coming from someone who doesn't find even Eclipse laggy). That he couldn…

What drew me to TM1 were the several innovative features for the time (mid 2000s) that were promptly copied into other editors (and sometimes improved there):

  * snippets
  * fuzzy file finder
  * project file list
  * multi-column editing
This is in addition to the non-text related good things TM did: grouping languages, snippets and scripts into a single folder, the bundle community, etc.

However, those 4 features were what moved me over to TM - I was more than willing to plunk down my $50 for these features that no other editor (at the time) had

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by emehrkay »

shurane wrote: post #81
emehrkay wrote: post #38

I've been using Textmate 2 for the past week or so and I still prefer 1 + missing drawer. For me, the only thing Textmate 1 is missing are split views (something 2 is missing as well). I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is. Am I one of the only Textmate users who feel that Sublime isn't the right "upgrade"? I much p…

I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is. I don't get what you mean by "if there is still enough interest". If you wanted a particular feature or change, couldn't you just fork Textmate and then implement it? That's the advantage of it going open-source. We are not at the mercy of some developers who don't think our re…

Id have to learn Cocoa/Objective-C, but I agree with you.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by EzGraphs »

emehrkay wrote: post #38

I've been using Textmate 2 for the past week or so and I still prefer 1 + missing drawer. For me, the only thing Textmate 1 is missing are split views (something 2 is missing as well). I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is. Am I one of the only Textmate users who feel that Sublime isn't the right "upgrade"? I much p…

+1 for using 1 and missing drawer. Never upgraded to 2 because of the bad press, and because 1.5 is good enough. It chokes on large files - and long lines, so I use vi instead for these.

I really like a few features:

* View your whole project from the root directory: mate .

* Open a bunch of files in arbitrary locations at once: find . -name 'something.' | xargs mate

* Write a script and run it using command-R

* Banging out html using tab complete

* Compared to any IDE it is ridiculously fast.

* I wrote a bundle (for Oracle Databases) that I used for awhile.

Kind of cool stuff.... might be available in other editors but I found 'em for the first time in TM 1.5.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by abc_lisper »

ChiperSoft wrote: post #113
xentronium wrote: post #77

Am I the only one surprised by total lack of history in the repository?

Considering the age of the project it probably wasn't being managed in git to begin with. I've seen some estimates that Allan started development around 2006. Git only came out in 2005 and took a few years to gain traction.

Doesn't matter. Git has plugins to pull from other repositories.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by jlgreco »

89a wrote: post #99
jlgreco wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No see, you are including more sensible factors in your calculation of utility. The issue is just justifying price with "how much have you used it for work related activities" , which is silly for just about everything except maybe soothing buyers remorse. I have an old Model M at home that I value at a hell of a lot more than $10; I am not here to argue the merits of expensive keyboards. My point though is that the…

what a strange world you live in

So you think if I use a shitty keyboard for a long time, that would justify paying more money for it in the first place? Sounds almost like a sunken cost fallacy to me. You should not feel obligated to continue using something because you regret paying so much for it. Had I paid too much for my keyboard, I would not attempt to comfort myself by using it more. Similarly, I would not find comfort in looking back at how much I used it.

The intrinsic values that the keyboard itself has should set its worth, not the value you extracted from it in the past. It is a keyboard, not an heirloom.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Post by emehrkay »

EzGraphs wrote: post #117
emehrkay wrote: post #38

I've been using Textmate 2 for the past week or so and I still prefer 1 + missing drawer. For me, the only thing Textmate 1 is missing are split views (something 2 is missing as well). I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is. Am I one of the only Textmate users who feel that Sublime isn't the right "upgrade"? I much p…

+1 for using 1 and missing drawer. Never upgraded to 2 because of the bad press, and because 1.5 is good enough. It chokes on large files - and long lines, so I use vi instead for these. I really like a few features: * View your whole project from the root directory: mate . * Open a bunch of files in arbitrary locations at once: find . -name ' something. ' | xargs mate * Write a script and run it using command-R * Ba…

Drag a bunch of random/loosely associated files to the icon == new project.

I forgot to mention ackmate and the extension that disable project refreshing when connected to a network share

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