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Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

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Is it wrong of me to be a little miffed that I paid $50, admittedly a long time ago, for Textmate?

Yes. Did you use it for your job? How many hours did you use it? Well worth the $50

That is a terrible way to measure utility, there are so many other factors to consider.

I use my keyboard for work constantly, but it is not worth more than maybe $10 to me.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#62

Is it wrong of me to be a little miffed that I paid $50, admittedly a long time ago, for Textmate?

Slightly, yes. If you program for your day job you're using your editor something like 2,000 hours a year. I paid for TextMate something like 5 years ago... given that I used it for approaching 10,000 hours since then... A text editor and a computer have such an amazing return on investment it makes anything else pale in comparison. Even if you're paid $50,000 per year, your $50 investment into TextMate made you $250…

5,000 times, and that's only if you hold TextMate responsible for the entire income. A more informative valuation of TextMate would be to compare your productivity with it versus a free alternative such as Emacs, vim or Eclipse. It may well be worth much more than $50 to you, and therefore a great deal, but probably nothing like a 5,000X ROI.

: Pedantry concludes.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#63
I stopped using TM1 for one reason: undo (which is one. character. at. a. time.) TM had a lot of fans, but no-one liked its undo (some didn't dislike it that much).

TM2 alpha didn't fix it. Gave up.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#65
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think it has anything to do with Sandboxing requirements in the App Store and Mountain Lion having an option not to allow non-App Store applications? I'm seriously asking, not trying to start a flame war here.

The original TextMate isn't on the App Store and I'd have to think the number of people who go into the Security settings and disallow running of non-App Store signed binaries is vanishingly small.

TextMate 2 could still be distributed outside the Mac App Store, as a signed binary (with a certificate issued by Apple), and regular users wouldn’t need to change the default settings to run it.

You only need to change settings (or right-click and hit Open) if you are running unsigned binaries.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#66

I've been using Textmate 2 for the past week or so and I still prefer 1 + missing drawer. For me, the only thing Textmate 1 is missing are split views (something 2 is missing as well). I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is. Am I one of the only Textmate users who feel that Sublime isn't the right "upgrade"? I much p…

I feel ST2 is healthily past "good enough" as a Mac application. For examples of punting on that responsibility completely, look at JetBrains stuff or MonoDevelop.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#67

Is it wrong of me to be a little miffed that I paid $50, admittedly a long time ago, for Textmate?

I paid a year or so ago, whenever the Textmate 2 beta came out for Textmate owners.

I've gotten far more than $50 out of having access to Textmate 2 during that time.

I don't feel miffed at all.

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#68

I stopped using TM1 for one reason: undo (which is one. character. at. a. time.) TM had a lot of fans, but no-one liked its undo (some didn't dislike it that much). TM2 alpha didn't fix it. Gave up.

I've been using it since the first alpha release back in December or whenever it was released and I can say that alpha absolutely fixes the one character at a time undo (and has since the first release).

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#69
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think it has anything to do with Sandboxing requirements in the App Store and Mountain Lion having an option not to allow non-App Store applications? I'm seriously asking, not trying to start a flame war here.

The original TextMate isn't on the App Store and I'd have to think the number of people who go into the Security settings and disallow running of non-App Store signed binaries is vanishingly small.

The original had an update today that added signing

Re: Textmate2 Goes Open Source

#70
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Erm, Objective-C probably isn't the problem, even NeXt used gcc for that (not sure how much of the current feature bloat isn't in copyrighted libraries). But GNUStep isn't exactly up to par with Cocoa, never mind not exactly the default desktop environment. Porting the whole editor from Obj-C++/Cocoa to C++/KDE or C/Gtk would be a pretty huge task, where you'd better off starting from scratch anyway (as with a lot of…

Cocotron[1] attempts to be up to part with Cocoa though. I'm not sure if it would cover everything needed by TM, but it would be a pretty decent start. [1] http://www.cocotron.org/

Considering that the only reason GNUStep isn't considered a totally failed project is the existence of Hurd, I wouldn't bet my money on creating a reasonably up-to-date cross-platform Cocoa/OpenStep clone. Try to see if the base Objective-C++ is working alright and create a GUI-independent layer, at least that way you'll get your native look-and-feel for free. But looking at the code, I think that'll excisce a lot of the core TM tech, so whether it's worth the conversion effort instead of just starting brand new is a pretty good question.
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