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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by Teever »

avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

You gotta understand, the rest of the world doesn't see you as woke/Maga or red/blue or rural/urban -- they just see you as American.

It doesn't matter if you didn't vote for this guy. You collectively didn't do enough to stop him from getting reelected and now you're not doing enough to stop him from hurting former allies.

Fix your domestic problems and then we can look towards starting up a dialogue of reconciliation.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by Nextgrid »

Telemakhos wrote: post #254
Squeeeez wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Detention is already bad enough, but then reading something like this: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-bu... "While every item in her bag was swabbed and dismantled, she was subjected to a full body search. "I was in this very loud, weird, industrial space with pipes and conveyor belts and lights and sirens, being told to open my legs. I was silently crying, watching all my stuff being torn…

That story starts with her being refused entry to Canada. So, there's more than just "US border guards mean" going on here. Then it turns out that she was using Workaway, which is like AirBnB or Uber but for foreign labor on tourist visas. They don't tell you that you need a work visa to work in another country [1], but you almost certainly do anywhere you go, not just the US. The woman in the story was working in ex…

Nobody is denying her visa wasn't correct for the type of work she was doing. But that doesn't justify the treatment she got. Nobody but violent criminals should be treated like this.

This was a paperwork issue and should've been resolved with paperwork - refusal of entry and a plane ticket back.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by lukan »

josephg wrote: post #215
chimeracoder wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Depends on which part of Europe. In the more diverse parts, nobody would bat an eyelid (even if border police might profile you). As a person who matches the description above, and has traveled to Europe extensively and frequently, I can tell you that as much as Europeans like to believe this is this case, it is absolutely not true. > Nobody will throw you in jail in indefinite detention in another country with no…

A couple years ago my girlfriend and I spent about 2 months travelling through europe. We visited about 10 countries on our trip. A lot of our travel between countries was by bus. After a few bus trips we started noticing something strange - the busses often pulled over for rest stops just after we'd changed countries. Everyone would all get out of the bus to stretch our legs, and some police would miraculously appea…

"Now, officially the shengen zone means there's no need to show your documents between countries."

That is not what it means.

Checks became way more frequent.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by Jach »

BikiniPrince wrote: post #113
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #74

Can DOGE therefore justify cutting a whole lot of jobs that process tourists? Or has that already been privatised?

TSA and all of its security theater is going to get the boot. Airports can manage their own security. That won’t change international customs which is still managed federally.

I really hope to see it. The TSA going away is my current measuring stick for whether DOGE has actually accomplished anything significantly valuable.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by Juliate »

Telemakhos wrote: post #254
Squeeeez wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Detention is already bad enough, but then reading something like this: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-bu... "While every item in her bag was swabbed and dismantled, she was subjected to a full body search. "I was in this very loud, weird, industrial space with pipes and conveyor belts and lights and sirens, being told to open my legs. I was silently crying, watching all my stuff being torn…

That story starts with her being refused entry to Canada. So, there's more than just "US border guards mean" going on here. Then it turns out that she was using Workaway, which is like AirBnB or Uber but for foreign labor on tourist visas. They don't tell you that you need a work visa to work in another country [1], but you almost certainly do anywhere you go, not just the US. The woman in the story was working in ex…

That's no rationale for the treatment she got.

If USAmericans got such a treatment anywhere in the world for similar reasons, it'd be broadcasted as a diplomatic incident in your news channels.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by DeathArrow »

aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by dfxm12 »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #263
dfxm12 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Law enforcement is a monoculture.

The comment I replied to is about US tourism. What are you referring to?

The quote But yes, there is also the political climate coupled with the article & what's generally going on in the world.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by throaway1989 »

Teever wrote: post #311
avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

You gotta understand, the rest of the world doesn't see you as woke/Maga or red/blue or rural/urban -- they just see you as American. It doesn't matter if you didn't vote for this guy. You collectively didn't do enough to stop him from getting reelected and now you're not doing enough to stop him from hurting former allies. Fix your domestic problems and then we can look towards starting up a dialogue of reconciliati…

As a Canadian, it's not even that. Im not holding someone responsible for what their political opposites do. It's just not safe or smart to be close to America right now. And it may never be again. And that's fine. This is not the beginning of resentment towards America. It has been there for a very long time, because America has been the global hegemon and has been ruthless in keeping its position.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by davidmurdoch »

throaway1989 wrote: post #302
davidmurdoch wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the US is a monoculture?

Why don't you just ask what they are referring to instead of bringing out the snarky gotcha comments...

You think I'M snarky?! This isn't Reddit.

A good faith interpretation of what they said wouldn't include projecting fear-mongering politics into their meaning.

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