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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by internet_points »

johanvts wrote: post #38
mathw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People might choose to fly somewhere else instead though, so it doesn't necessarily reduce the overall amount of carbon emissions from air travel. Especially if you see Europeans deciding to go somewhere else in the Americas instead, which I've heard some of my friends considering. Although if Europeans choose to travel within Europe instead then yes we'd see a reduction as the distances are rather shorter (and with…

Trump thought of that so now he is also singlehandedly starting a global depression to ensure nobody will be traveling at all. Truly he has done more for the climate than Gretha.

OTOH oil prices are down (due to less demand while incf OPEC production), so people will be burning oil on other things

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Post by pjc50 »

threeseed wrote: post #102
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. I'd be interested in alternate viewpoints since I may be in a bleeding-heart, empathetic, progressive, consequence-considering news bubble. My reasoning is t…

> whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" Of course it is. Because the chance of a global recession is about 50% now. Which means millions of people are going to lose their jobs, businesses will collapse, governments will go into deficit and cut services and there will be needless suffering only a few years after COVID.

I think the recession is already happening, if you look at the markets. The US has suddenly imposed huge sanctions on itself.

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Post by askonomm »

avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

I mean the rot goes much deeper than Donald Trump. Most of the US cabinet and top leaders are actively hostile towards what used to be ally states. Spreading lies, propaganda, insults and threatening to invade and take away our land. Meanwhile treating its own people like slaves. USA has become almost indistinguishable from Russia in that regard.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by pseudalopex »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #185
antman wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no definition of “if you are not a citizen you are not a citizen and you are not entitled to a due process” in any EU airport AFAIK.

That's not the case in the US either. Like, how would that work if a non-citizen isn't bound to law anyway? "Oh you're not American, so you're not bound by our murder laws. Free to go". But this admin highly disagrees with that notion. Really hope the courts start throwing heads sooner rather than later.

Not protected by laws and not bound by laws are different ideas.

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Post by throaway1989 »

avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

They should make you sad. The leader of your country said we suck and that we would be better off being a part of the USA (and that he would MAKE us be a part of the USA)! It doesn't matter how many of you didn't vote for him when hes the one making the decisions.

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Post by kccqzy »

avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

Trump won the popular vote unfortunately.

Most of the country couldn't vote at all because they are immigrants (not citizens) or because of any of the structural reasons why they couldn't take time off to vote or they were intimated at the ballot box. Voting day still isn't a federal holiday.

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Post by Arubis »

aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

There's a pretty sizable proportion of USians that have a hard time accepting that other countries exist.

For what it's worth, we're also starting to have similar (though so far less pronounced) reactions to domestic travel. There's a number of states that are unsafe to travel to if you or someone in your family has a gender identity that's not on the approved list--and that has an outsize effect. I won't go to those places since they don't deserve my tax dollars, and am just jumping on a bandwagon of plenty of other people in making that decision.

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Post by mikepurvis »

debian3 wrote: post #160
aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

If you are from Canada, get Nexus. Much less trouble crossing in USA. Small fee to pay for the peace of mind and the process to cross is so much faster.

Well yes, that would be a thing to do if this was only about personal safety (and one was only worried about the border and not getting vanned on some random street corner).

At this point it's also about standing with our countrymen and spending our tourist dollars at home.

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Post by neogodless »

ta1243 wrote: post #159
Brendinooo wrote: post #27

>This newsletter doesn’t delve into politics, and the reason for this change is both pretty obvious and not in need of further discussion here. Can someone state the obvious for me please? The two thoughts in my head were "this is because tourism is down" and "this is because migrants/asylum seekers aren't crossing the border at the moment". I would think you'd draw different conclusions if it's one or the other, but…

Do asylum seekers and migrants typically immigrate in JFK, Miami, LAX, or Orlando? I thought the problem the US had was people crossing the land border from Mexico?

Mostly coming via private jet, I think?

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Post by GrantMoyer »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #178
PaulRobinson wrote: post #54

If non-US citizens can be deported to El Salvador without due process for having a tattoo that an ICE officer deems to be "gang-related", you're immediately going to alienate most of the World's population from wanting to visit for any purpose. The lack of due process and the threat of extradition on a whim is one that feels less likely to happen to me as a caucasian with US citizens as family, but the impact of it w…

What I find terrifying and everyone else should as well: If all that stands between you and indefinite detention is an accusation without due process that you're foreign then literally anyone including citizens can be black bagged.

Don't forget the efforts to legally denounce citizen's citizenship. Right now, it's still unconstitutional, but the point is to test the waters.
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