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A university president makes a case against cowardice

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Re: A university president makes a case against cowardice

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Post by themaninthedark »

MPSFounder wrote: post #630
rayiner wrote: post #497

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That only Americans have the right to participate in our political system is an expression of values. And it’s entirely compatible with democracy. The citizen versus non-citizen distinction is fundamental to democracy.

It absolutely is not. And your views are very concerning. Everyone residing in the US is entitled to the ammendments. That is exactly why Guantanamo bay was formed, as a matter of fact. What makes this so much worse is these individuals were not arrested for criticizing these United States, but for criticizing a hostile foreign nation, that just so happens to be the darling of billionaires of a certain faith, who con…

I completely agree on this, however I will note that the courts somehow always forget that the number 2 exists.

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Post by ekianjo »

nelblu wrote: post #535
shellac wrote: post #408

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Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights is enshrined in legislation in the UK and Ireland, and offers protections for signatories of the convention. (Edit: Oh, and the Bill of Rights gives parliamentarians quite an extreme version)

Also Canada : https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/how-righ...

How were such freedoms protected during the trucker protests in Canada? That was not so long ago, and the government declared emergency powers to break the peaceful protests and freeze protesters' bank accounts.

Re: A university president makes a case against cowardice

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Post by paulryanrogers »

bluGill wrote: post #779
paulryanrogers wrote: post #513

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Ah yes, it is the left's fault the right is spiraling the country into despotism. Feeling a lot of "Why do you make them hit you?" energy in this thread.

It is everyone who kept on the path instead of saying 'I don't care what you say I'll defend your right to say it'. If you can't allow someone else to say things you don't like you are at fault - it doesn't matter how good hou think you are.

So because a vocal minority 'cancelled' speech in private spheres for a few years, it's the fault of (all?) progressives that the right wildly overreacted and installed facism and government enforced censorship?

By this logic if one member of my family makes you feel unwelcome then its my own fault that you got the cops to beat me up?

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Post by selimthegrim »

dekhn wrote: post #123
carbocation wrote: post #119

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Thank you. So, another de minimis amount ($1.8 million): it's not exactly zero, but it's just about as much as their NIH support. Columbia, as a comparator, gets $100 million in NSF funding.

I also found a DOE grant, about $800K. I think this is the full list, NIH looks like a subset of overall HHS funding, and NSF is the actual single largest (around $2.5M) https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=report&tin=U3... Wesleyan falls into a really weird bucket: a private liberal arts university, generally considered a "little Ivy" with a modest, slightly better than its competitors ( https://en.wikiped…

I have fond memories of the game MacWesleyan. I wonder how true the depiction of campus was.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

knowitnone wrote: post #764
low_tech_love wrote: post #425

Some personal highlights: "They’re excellent schools, and they have excellent scientists, and if one of Vice-President Vance’s kids is sick, he’s going to want the doctor to have gone to one of these schools; he’s not going to want them to have gone to Viktor Orbán’s university." "People have said to me, “Well, you take all that money from the government, why don’t you listen to them?” The answer is, because the mone…

The money comes from the public, not the government

And I for one would much rather it go to subsidize university research than subsidize the defense industry

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Post by martin82 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #816
knowitnone wrote: post #764

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The money comes from the public, not the government

And I for one would much rather it go to subsidize university research than subsidize the defense industry

You need both if you want it to remain a free and sovereign country.

Re: A university president makes a case against cowardice

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Post by bruce511 »

tobbe2064 wrote: post #645
bruce511 wrote: post #291

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That's the point the parent made. Elections are suitable for political officers. Once you start electing other jobs, like judges or plumbers, then you get whoever you elected, rather than necessarily a person able to do the job. In other words, getting elected is a specific skill set. Doing the job is a different skill set. In most fields those skill sets do not overlap. Even in govt the overlap is marginal. Which is…

Well,of course you get who ever you elected, that's a trueism that holds for any method. What method do you prefer?Trust in the market and chose the one with the highest price, or, choose the one recommended by most, aka the popular choice or the elected?

You're offering two choices which prove the point that electing is a poor way to fill a post.

"popularity" does not imply competence. Popularity is easily gamed and bought. Given that unlimited business money can be spent on elections, it's mostly bought.

I'm not sure what you mean by market, or highest price, but I assume you mean the above?

The opposite of elections is appointment. Based on competence. So, for example, in my company I want job x done well, so I appoint a person based on their ability to do x.

Of course this assumes I want x done well. If I'm elected, and I want x done badly, then I can appoint someone based on other factors, like ideology or loyalty etc.

Re: A university president makes a case against cowardice

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Post by senderista »

senderista wrote: post #231
jmyeet wrote: post #173

The last year and a half in particular has exposed just what a sham the academic freedom fo colleges really is. We've always heard that the college tenure system encourages freedom of expression and academic freedom without the pressure of potential job loss. Instead what we have iscollege professors and administrations who move is absolute lockstep and have acted like jack-booted Gestapos to crush and punish First A…

I have not heard of any protesters ending up in El Salvador, source?

I guess the downvoters must have information to which I am not privy...

Re: A university president makes a case against cowardice

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Post by robertlagrant »

Bluescreenbuddy wrote: post #550
robertlagrant wrote: post #486

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This is called "victim blaming".

If a bigot acts like a bigot then gets outed, that's their own fault. They're not victims.

You're assuming bigot. This is where you're going wrong. It could be anyone for anything, even if the thing was fine to do 5 years ago - and maybe is fine again now - and it was done 15 years ago.

Precociously exclaiming "Well, personally I don't like horrible people!" isn't likely to be relevant above quite a young age.

I say the same to people who assume everyone going to an El Salvadorean jail is guilty. They're the same person as you, just in the other tribe.

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