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Trump's Tariffs Wipe Out over $6T on Wall Street in Epic Two-Day Rout

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This is an inherently political subject, but I would appreciate a dispassionate argument explaining how this could be even remotely good for the U.S.'s economy in a way that is light on MAGA ideology and doesn't simply claim the overwhelming majority of economists are dumb. I'm simply not seeing even a glimmer of a possible upside right now. I see even less possibility of an upside for those of us North of the border…

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Re: Trump's Tariffs Wipe Out over $6T on Wall Street in Epic Two-Day Rout

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So honest question: A bunch of people who currently own stock are deciding they'd rather have cash instead -- that much is obvious.

But what exactly are they doing with the cash?

Don't want to hold onto it, everyone says devaluation and inflation is coming.

Bitcoin and gold are kinda flat. I expected them to shoot up as uncertainty hedges. What gives?

Re: Trump's Tariffs Wipe Out over $6T on Wall Street in Epic Two-Day Rout

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Not going to comment on the politics, but I'd point out that recession odds on Kalshi are currently 64% and 58% on Polymarket [1,2]. In other words, recession in 2025 is more likely than not -- though far from guaranteed. My thought relevant to HN is that either way this is likely to decimate venture capital and startups, at least in the short run. Venture capital funds come from limited partners like pensions and en…

Anyone who's played cards or an MMO know those are insanely good odds -- virtually guaranteed!

Re: Trump's Tariffs Wipe Out over $6T on Wall Street in Epic Two-Day Rout

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post #8

This is an inherently political subject, but I would appreciate a dispassionate argument explaining how this could be even remotely good for the U.S.'s economy in a way that is light on MAGA ideology and doesn't simply claim the overwhelming majority of economists are dumb. I'm simply not seeing even a glimmer of a possible upside right now. I see even less possibility of an upside for those of us North of the border…

The belief of Trump and his allies is that the last 40 years of free trade has been extremely favorable to college educated "elites" and extremely unfavorable to the working class. They see foreign trade as having hollowed out American manufacturing, and therefore they see the shutting down foreign trade as a way to reverse this decline. While they are aware that doing so will hurt college educated professionals, they don't care because they feel those people have had it too good for too long.

Re: Trump's Tariffs Wipe Out over $6T on Wall Street in Epic Two-Day Rout

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post #12

So honest question: A bunch of people who currently own stock are deciding they'd rather have cash instead -- that much is obvious. But what exactly are they doing with the cash? Don't want to hold onto it, everyone says devaluation and inflation is coming. Bitcoin and gold are kinda flat. I expected them to shoot up as uncertainty hedges. What gives?

If I had $1000 in cash, and inflation hits 10%, the purchasing power is equivalent to (1000 / 1.1 = ~$909) in 2026.

If I had the same $1000 in stock, and it lost 11% of its value in 2 days, I might worry about it being worth close to $0 by the end of the month.

Re: Trump's Tariffs Wipe Out over $6T on Wall Street in Epic Two-Day Rout

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post #12

So honest question: A bunch of people who currently own stock are deciding they'd rather have cash instead -- that much is obvious. But what exactly are they doing with the cash? Don't want to hold onto it, everyone says devaluation and inflation is coming. Bitcoin and gold are kinda flat. I expected them to shoot up as uncertainty hedges. What gives?

Inflation only happens if the US starts paying down the debt -- locking up the tariff money in interest payments. Otherwise, there's fundamentally no increase in the supply of money. I'm guessing there still will be inflation for consumers, especially seeing as most don't have the funds to invest in bonds.

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post #8

This is an inherently political subject, but I would appreciate a dispassionate argument explaining how this could be even remotely good for the U.S.'s economy in a way that is light on MAGA ideology and doesn't simply claim the overwhelming majority of economists are dumb. I'm simply not seeing even a glimmer of a possible upside right now. I see even less possibility of an upside for those of us North of the border…

The late night show industry is making record profits.

Re: Trump's Tariffs Wipe Out over $6T on Wall Street in Epic Two-Day Rout

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Not going to comment on the politics, but I'd point out that recession odds on Kalshi are currently 64% and 58% on Polymarket [1,2]. In other words, recession in 2025 is more likely than not -- though far from guaranteed. My thought relevant to HN is that either way this is likely to decimate venture capital and startups, at least in the short run. Venture capital funds come from limited partners like pensions and en…

Those odds must incorporate some expectations that recent actions get reversed (and quickly!). Recession is guaranteed if new rules stay in place.
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